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Sovereign Citizens: A Clear and Present Danger

Sovereign citizens believe local law does not apply to them and that brings them in direct conflict with you.

September 21, 2012  |  by Rob Finch and Kory Flowers

Photo: iStockPhoto.com
Photo: iStockPhoto.com

Last month near Spokane, Wash., a sheriff's deputy in an unmarked car was driving east on I-90 when he took notice of a red pickup truck in front of him that appeared to have invalid or altered license plates. The deputy called in the plate number and received notice that there was no record of the plate.

Backup rolled. Marked cars followed the truck until it pulled into a driveway. There it was boxed in by patrol cars and a standoff began, as the truck's occupants refused to cooperate with the officers and the officers wisely chose not to approach the vehicle. SWAT was dispatched. The driver and passenger of the truck were eventually cut from their seat belts and taken into custody.

Calling SWAT may seem like an overreaction to an expired or fake license plate. But the Washington officers were smart to do so.

They were dealing with members of an anti-government movement called "sovereign citizens." Sovereigns believe that the government has no right to tax them, issue licenses, or do many of the other things that the average American citizen has accepted as the roles of government. They also believe that the only legitimate law enforcement officer is the elected sheriff.

For the most part sovereigns and their beliefs were not a major concern for law enforcement until two years ago. That's when two West Memphis, Ark., officers—Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans—were murdered by a father and son team of sovereigns during a drug interdiction traffic stop. The sovereigns were later killed in a fierce gun battle in a nearby Walmart parking lot.

The West Memphis cop killings and the subsequent shootout put the sovereign citizen movement on the radar of many law enforcement officers, but there are still numerous officers who are not aware of the dangers presented by this philosophy and how to recognize its adherents.

Understanding Sovereignty

Crimes committed by sovereigns often include relatively minor offenses such as the manufacture of fraudulent license plates, registration cards, or currency. However, as this movement has quickly gained traction across the country with the assistance of the Internet and sovereign seminars promising an assorted array of "get rich quick" financial remedies, mortgage fraud, and banking fraud, threats against law enforcement officers and judicial officials by sovereigns are becoming more common place.

The tactics used by sovereigns won't always be violent. More often, a sovereign will use document filings such as liens and lawsuits against law enforcement in an attempt to overwhelm and confuse you. Due to the evolutionary nature of police work in the United States, you need to equip yourself with knowledge to protect yourself physically, financially, and legally from these criminals and their bag of tricks aimed at disrupting the criminal justice system.

Sovereignty and sovereign citizens have existed in the United States for nearly 50 years in various forms. The roots of the sovereigns can be found in the Posse Comitatus movement of the 1970s.

"Sovereign citizen" is a broad, general term that is often applied to any individual person or group that does not believe that the laws of the United States or the state laws apply to them. In other words, they are beyond the jurisdiction of law enforcement authority. The term "sovereign citizen" should be viewed as an umbrella under which you will find thousands of loosely organized groups or individuals that share one basic ideological principle but approach it through different paths.

Extreme Ire

Some groups or individuals use their sovereign claims in an attempt to avoid legal trouble and circumvent common traffic laws and statutes. Others believe they are at war with the United States and are willing to use deadly force against anyone they perceive as standing in the way of their sovereign rights. Violent sovereigns are a clear and present danger to law enforcement, and you need to be prepared to deal with them safely and effectively.

While each sovereign group holds its own specific creeds, conspiracies, and focal points, what they all have in common is an extreme ire for government and its agents, and particularly law enforcement. Sovereigns generally subscribe to a loose anarchist ideology, holding firmly to notions of archaic common law doctrines, or no law at all.

Sovereigns believe in an "unimpeded God-given right to travel," and therefore say that no officer, under any circumstance, has the right to obstruct their travel. That makes traffic stops involving sovereigns extremely perilous for officers.

Divided by Race

American sovereign groups are commonly delineated along racial lines. White American sovereigns tend to be concerned with the U.S. Constitution and state constitutions, and their interpretations of those documents in a historical context. African-American sovereigns often lean toward Moorish history and African culture as the basis of their sovereignty. Religion, particularly the Moorish Science Temple, may also play a role in racial division and recruitment or indoctrination within a particular sovereign group.

While there is often noticeable racial division among sovereign groups, it is important to remember that sovereign citizens all have the same basic beliefs and will share their criminal tactics with each other. Sovereign citizens, with few exceptions and despite their differences, will choose to unite against their one common enemy: the government and its agents.

Pseudo-Legal

When attempting to understand how a group or individual comes to believe in sovereignty and exemption from statutory law, you must first understand the foundation of the movement.

Sovereigns take legitimate historical events and obscure common law and twist and change them to fit their particular claims or assertions. Their hope is that the ensuing confusion results in law enforcement and/or the judicial system's unwillingness to effectively deal with them. The fact that most of their arguments and documents contain a slight hint of factual basis and an overwhelming amount of pseudo-legal language, including the mention of various acts, amendments, and treaties, only adds to the confusion.

One example common to the philosophies of many sovereigns is the Theory of Redemption. This theory claims that the United States went bankrupt in 1933 when it chose to no longer use the gold standard to back up its paper currency. Needing collateral to trade and conduct commerce with other countries, the United States began to use citizens as collateral to ensure the value of its money. Subsequently, secret bank accounts, containing millions of dollars, were supposedly established by the United States Treasury Department on behalf of each citizen, or "strawman," used as collateral. Redemption is used as a gateway by sovereigns to commit various fraudulent acts all in an attempt to "redeem their strawman" and access these non-existent secret Treasury accounts to satisfy various debts, including mortgages, cars, and credit cards.

Another ideological principle of sovereignty is the 14th Amendment. Passed in 1868 and intended to galvanize and unify the country as part of the post-Civil War Reconstruction Acts, sovereigns view the 14th Amendment as another example of government trickery. They believe that the United States government illegally passed the Amendment and "tricked" all the citizens of the state republics, for example the State Republic of North Carolina, into renouncing their state citizenship and agreeing to become federal "corporate" citizens through the acceptance of government benefits.

Sovereigns believe that the federal government forced the citizens of the former state republics into obtaining birth certificates, Social Security cards, driver licenses, vehicle registration cards, and other legal documents. These "binding contracts" are viewed as null and void by sovereigns, and as such, will usually not be obtained or carried by sovereign citizens.

Sovereigns and Traffic Stops

Regardless of the particular vein of sovereignty encountered by law enforcement officers, brushes with sovereigns can be extremely predictable, and successful and safe interactions with sovereigns can be accomplished if you follow a few guidelines.

The first thing you may notice will be a fraudulent registration plate affixed to a vehicle. The plate may or may not look like a slightly altered version of a legitimate registration. It will most often contain words like "Indigenous," "Sovereign," "Diplomatic," "Exempt," or "Private Property."

The plate will sometimes identify the particular sovereign group its owner is associated with such as "Washitaw," "Moor," "Mu'ur" (variation of Moor), "Little Shell Pembina," or "Nuwaubian." Sovereign license plates often contain images of a foreign flag, the United Nations symbol, bar codes, or hieroglyphic writing. Identifying these initial sovereign indicators, and mentally preparing for what's to come, is critical to a successful and safe encounter.

When you stop a sovereign citizen, the encounter will be unlike any of the thousands of vehicle stops performed in your career. While you are conditioned to motorists being frustrated or even confrontational about the reason for the stop and any possible penalty, sovereigns utilize a unique mix of bullying, intimidation, and confusion to coerce their way out of the stop.

You may encounter sovereigns who refuse to roll down their window or only roll it down a matter of inches and then slide you a "Public Servant Questionnaire," asking for your full legal name, home address, and other sensitive biographical information. Sovereigns, when stopped, may ask you to present them with your signed oath of office or to recite that oath. The sovereign will often attempt to utilize clever parsing of words to differentiate between a "vehicle" and a "conveyance," or "driving" vs. "traveling," all in an effort to confuse and intimidate you.

A sovereign may even present you with a bill for his time when you contact him. Sovereigns have been known to mention their "fee schedule" to officers during traffic stops, and will advise you that these self-created astronomical rates will be billed to you, all depending on the length of the stop.

Unlike the average motorist, sovereigns will not comply with simple instructions to produce a driver's license, registration card, or proof of insurance. They will argue with you about jurisdiction and the "victim" of the alleged traffic offense.

Sovereign citizens also believe their names are private property and cannot be used, for any reason, without their expressed consent. They will view you writing their names on a citation as a copyright or trademark infringement and, consequently, attempt to conceal their full names when asked. As a result of their belief that law enforcement has no authority over them in any situation, they may become violent if asked to exit the vehicle or submit to an arrest.

And expect to be filmed. Sovereigns often video-record their interactions with law enforcement officers in hopes of intimidating officers to not enforce the law. Some of these encounters are live-streamed via the Internet to local like-minded sovereigns, and some of these people could present a possible threat to your safety.

While it might not always be possible to identify a sovereign citizen based on vehicle or registration plate indicators, you should be aware of certain key words that sovereigns are likely to use when you contact them. The mention of the following words or sentences is usually an indicator that you are dealing with a sovereign citizen:

  • Indigenous
  • Aboriginal
  • Oath of office
  • Who is the party that was harmed?
  • Traveling in a private capacity  
  • Conveyance
  • Domicile  
  • 14th Amendment  
  • Strawman

While the traffic stop will be unlike any other you experience, you should remember that procedure and enforcement should remain consistent. Priority number one is safety. You need to have the right mindset going into the stop and be prepared for the tactics employed by sovereigns.

Once you identify the individual as a sovereign, it's important to not get wrapped up in the copious amount of paperwork he will produce during the encounter. Identify the paperwork as sovereign propaganda and of no significance to the stop and maintain a high level of officer awareness and safety. Decisive decision making and enforcement of the law is the best way to ensure maximum officer safety and send a clear message that these sovereign tactics are ineffective in your particular jurisdiction.

Finally, call for backup if you sense any physical threat coming from a suspected sovereign citizen. While violent encounters with adherents of this philosophy are rare, they can be sudden and deadly.

Paper Terrorists

Rumors and stories are currently circulating among many police agencies nationwide that sovereign citizens will initiate lawsuits against officers, departments, cities, and counties, and they will file liens against anyone who refutes their claims of sovereignty. Some sovereigns might even issue bogus-looking documents stating they are indictments or arrest warrants. For the most part, this is true. This most common and effective tactic used by sovereign citizens is called "paper terrorism."

The goal for sovereign citizens using this tactic is to initially frighten a law enforcement officer away from even initiating a stop on sovereigns, let alone making criminal charges against them. They want the threat of a lawsuit or lien to help insulate them from local, state, and federal rules, regulations, and laws. They aspire to clog up the court system with as much paperwork as possible and hope that the end result is no one wanting to deal with them because they are such a nuisance.

Sovereigns will usually add up the amount of time they were "inconvenienced" or detained, the value for copyright or trademark infringement for writing their name on a citation and, per their fictitious fee schedule, decide on an exorbitant figure for a lawsuit. These lawsuits are often filed in federal or state court and may be served on an officer at his home or agency. While meritless, the lawsuits need to be addressed through the proper channels and handled by your respective police, city, county, or state attorney in a timely fashion.

Sovereigns might also place a lien on an officer's property as retribution. While the sovereign never plans on collecting, the lingering effect on the officer could be devastating if not addressed immediately and handled properly. It is imperative to continuously check your credit for signs of illegal activity and to also check with the Clerk of Courts and Register of Deeds offices in your particular county for sovereign filings against you.

Sovereign citizens can and will be violent toward law enforcement. They do not believe in the legitimacy of the government, the validity of laws, or the authority to enforce any laws against them. This is completely different from the "typical" criminal that you deal with on a regular basis.

The typical criminal runs away or resists because you have the authority to take him or her to jail. Sovereign citizens resist because they believe that you are violating their sovereignty and that they are allowed to defend themselves using deadly physical force.

Sovereigns may not always be violent. It's impossible to know when they'll decide to use force against you. But you need to be prepared and you need to understand the mentality of this movement. If you educate yourself and the public on the multitude of fraudulent scams and tactics used by sovereign citizens, and you continue to maintain a high level of officer safety when dealing with them, you will be as effective as possible in combating this growing concern within the law enforcement community.

Editor's note: At press time two Louisiana officers—Deputies Brandon Nielsen and Jeremy Triche of the St. John the Baptist Parish Sheriff's Office, Louisiana—were killed in an encounter with men suspected of being members of Posse Comitatus, a splinter group of the sovereign citizen movement.

Rob Finch and Kory Flowers are detectives in the Criminal Intelligence Unit of the Greensboro (N.C.) Police Department. For the past three years, they have investigated numerous sovereigns, leading to successful prosecutions at both the state and federal level.

Related:

Sovereign Citizens Linked To La. Deputy Killings

Wash. 'Sovereigns' Arrested After SWAT Standoff

'60 Minutes' Profiles Sovereign Citizen Movement

Tags: Sovereign Citizens, West Memphis (Ark.) PD, St. John the Baptist Parish (La.) Sheriff, Vehicle Stops, Citizen Video, Assaults on Officers


Comments (36)

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Cecilio Mendez @ 9/22/2012 3:17 PM

Great article and useful information. I suggest to work out a law that addresses the problems concerning the "paper terrorism" scenario. Something based on a case about a "non-citizen" claiming coverage by the laws from their country of origin, which are non-applicable on the USA. (I know, I know. Not counting diplomats!) Refusing to recognize our laws, prevent them from claiming their coverage and stop them from using our laws to clog the system. They refuse to recognize our Constitution, therefore they will be treated as illegal aliens. Just an idea...

Rich @ 9/24/2012 5:16 PM

The "paper terrorism" is illegal in most States. The US Attorney General for your State should be on board with the prosecution of the Sovereigns. Also if they are stating that they are a non-citizen or not a citizen of the USA, then they have no legal right to possess or own a firearm in most States. Everyone be safe when dealing with these people.

JANickols @ 9/24/2012 5:34 PM

Not mentioned was the fringe folks who don't pay taxes. Probably another argument of the Sovereign's. The 16th Amendment is the foundation for income Taxes and is an ever favorite of those wishing to pass over this thorny issue. Gotta goofy brother-in-law who pulled this off for about 10 years. IRS nailed his booty big time. Missed the joint because of age and half senile. FYI, you can have your Social Security garnished.

Good article and scarey stuff. They are very dangerous.

RICHARD @ 9/24/2012 6:23 PM

GOOD ARTICLE. I HAVE FOUND THEY WON'T LET YOU TALK. THEY TALK OVER EVERYTHING YOU SAY NOT ALLOWING YOU TO GET A WORD IN. I LEARNED TO DO THE SAME. KEEP GIVING THEM INSTRUCTIONS AND REFUSING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS NOT RELATED TO THE STOP. AFTER WRITING THE TICKET I PRESENT IT TO THEM WITH THE USUAL ADMONISHMENT. IF THEY SIGN, GREAT, IF NOT I CALL FOR BACK-UP BEFORE ARRESTING THE INDIVIDUAL FOR REFUSING TO SIGN THEIR TICKET, A MISDEMEANOR IN CALIF. OR AT LEAST IT USED TO BE.

Joe @ 9/24/2012 6:30 PM

So if they claim that they are not a citizen and subject to the laws. Then they are in the United States illegally. Deport them.

Juan 10-13 @ 9/25/2012 5:07 AM

Yes Gentlemen.....we are dealing with a morphed-criminal. They can shroud themselves with whatever term or purported vision or demented purpose....it's still criminal. Thank you for the wealth of information and Brothers PLEASE....call for back up! You are the most important BEING...during the vehicle stop! God Bless you all.

Pradeep @ 10/25/2012 8:28 AM

Mostly crimes are caused by too many unnecessary laws, especially in the world of aliens and there is a lawful deportation for those law breakers regardless of knowingly or ignorently, in either case Paper terrorism is generated and promoted by administration by employing unqualified personnel or crooks in some countries.

Lherisson Tarik @ 11/2/2012 12:01 PM

This article may be great for some but I can really tell the authors' LACK of knowledge of the united States history and the notion of NATIONALITY, I can confirm without a shadow of a doubt they are european, US CITIZEN thinking they are American, and they only know corporate POLICIES. The authors try to associate the Moors, who are the Heir apparent of the Land (North, South, Central America including the Atlantis Islands), to the so called White supremacy is really misleading: Europeans are not indigenous to the Land, they are colonists who were seeking FREEDOM from the Feudal system of Europe at that time, the Moors received them and sign a Treaty of Peace & Friendship with the European Nations in 1786 renewed in 1836 so they can live in HARMONY( Treaty of Peace & Friendship with Morocco) The Moors have been branded Black, Color & Negro by europeans to steal their BIRTHRIGHTS. I hereby CHALLENGE the authors of this post Rob Finch and Kory flowers to TELL me what Nation Flag they operating under?
I can surely tell they don't know anything about International Law, the Moors are from a Nation and are protected under international Law ( Treaty Laws)

Lherisson Tarik El @ 11/2/2012 12:29 PM

It is unfortunate that all the comments on this site are made by people foreign to this Land, any european claiming Sovereignty should go to their respective european Country where their ancestors are from. Don't feel offended by my remarks because truth can stand on it's own and needs no apology. Sovereignty comes with Nationality, 13 amendment section 12 Said : "The Traffic of slave with africa is forever prohibited on pain of death and the forfeiture of all the rights and property of persons therein; and the descendant of Africans shall not be citizens. Many of the police agents and people posting comments never knew about this section of the 13th Amendment because it has been suppressed from Google search engine. If you click the 13th Amendment you will only see 2 sections and it does carry 20 sections. There is no such thing as "Black Sovereigns" because black is a legal status, it doesn't represent a nation. Finch and Flowers are acting under ignorance of the Supreme Law of the LAND which TREATY Law and The Moors who declare their Nationality are protected under international Law and can file Lawsuit against any corporation or public servant violating their rights, in international Court.

Anonymous @ 12/10/2012 6:49 PM

This is the most bull spit article I have Ever Seen.. A Sovereign is actually a person who is free, someone who follows no laws of man.. only the laws of the Creator aka God aka whom ever you believe to be the one who created you. A Sovereign follows Common Law which is the supreme Law of the land it goes above state, or Federal law.. This Article is presented to you by the Agents who wish to put down the True fact that Being a U.S. Citizen means you have no rights you have privileges bestowed upon you.. you can look it up in Blacks Law Dict. you are a Corporate Entity not a Living human being. Thats why they can whack a "U.S.Citizen" with fines, tickets, and come take your children when they deem fit. The American Public doesn't even know how corrupt the U.S. is. I ask why is it that the Pope is considered Sovereign then?.. yet every president of the U.S. always goes to the pope and kisses his ring once elected.. think about it!!

Azad Jace @ 12/12/2012 7:23 AM

Quite unfortunate that Police, Fire, EMS, and other "Public Servants" to include Justices and all other Oath-Takers, particularly our military forces [the most mocked on the planet], are so lowly regarded by the Elitists that have ruled the planet for the past 6,000 years (the same bloodline in many instances), financed EVERY war, and are very much pulling the strings to EVERY banking institution and every Govern (from Latin, gubernare: to manage, control, or navigate) and Ment (from Latin mente: thought, mind, or intellect) that they can't begin to realize that Education is but the regurgitation of information to prove on an examination, someday posting on their walls the awe-inspiring certificate, diploma, or degree, versus what could be Enlightenment, meaning the world to them if they would just open their eyes and see the signs & symbols which Occultists (Occultare is Latin: to conceal, hide, or obscure) have been using for countless generations. It's all around us....but by the VERY SAME token (although, token-wise, we spend fortunes blinded in & from our own ignorance), we could begin actually taking the time, the energy, and the intellectual capacities we were EACH granted at birth to piece the convoluted & distorted pieces together. It would show a quite different picture than one that the Druids still practice, although they have done so with potions & magic spells for centuries with wands made of the Holly Tree: they've just morphed into the very same Holly Wood devotees, but still very much enthralling the masses with Non-Sense to keep their minds so occupied and distracted (along with ample supply of the bi-product made from Chemical Fertilizers as well as Aluminum manufacturing, Sodium Fluoride....this alone, the Soviet Gulags as had the Nazi Concentration camps, have well documented the docile & apathetic affects upon the human brain. Masters are making a FORTUNE with YOUR Birth Certificate on NYSE! ~Azad Jace

Marlise @ 12/12/2012 7:50 AM

Obviously the last several comments were from 'sovereigns'. To those engaged in legally protecting our citizens and enforcing the laws often at great personal risk, I want to say "Thank you" from the heart.. to our policemen, firemen, and military, "God bless you and keep you safe"
I found the article very interesting. I looked it up after a news article described such a person- I know there are nutty people out there, but the degree of selfishness exhibited by these is unreal. They want to live here and benefit from life in the US, but not contribute to it.

kory flowers @ 12/14/2012 6:04 AM

Thanks for all the positive, clearly-thought out and articulate comments from our fellow sheepdogs...be safe out there. -kf

Yahoshua @ 12/31/2012 4:35 PM

Damn....you mean in 50 years they couldnt find one example of just some good ol people who thought the british takeover which was backed by big money and the queen was bullshit and believe its easier to not lie cheat steal in a common (sense)law fashion. Nobody huh....every example is derrogatory against "soverigns".....if somebody is willing to battle the police to death in a shootout...soverign or not dont matter....those crazy bastards woulda did it anyway. Your article may fit well for mind numbed robots incapable of thought due to overwhelming amounts of flouride, and processed foods...yet you can easily see the negative use of carefully placed words. My favorite part is where "Soverigns dont believe govt has power to issue license...etc..."unlike" "average" "american citizens" who have "accepted" these things as the "role" of the government.

Joe Rath @ 1/2/2013 11:20 AM

Joe Rath

Aikido John @ 1/3/2013 6:19 AM

Yes, but they still bleed just like regular citizens. They are not immune to a .40 caliber bullet...

Andrew D @ 1/9/2013 6:47 AM

I really hope police officers are immune to this rhetoric propaganda. May the force be with us - those who are close to the source field - against tyranny - pro freedom - anti war and hate.

Robert Baty @ 1/10/2013 3:34 PM

I struck up a conversation in the last few days with a fellow using the name of Ed Umpervitch; via the FaceBook page of Kent Hovind.

Ed has tried to make a big deal out of whether or not a person is "private" or "public"; coming across as being a "sovereign" promoter.

Kent Hovind, currently serving a 10 year sentence for tax related crimes, has in days gone by tried to use sovereign antics in his efforts to thwart enforcement efforts against him.

I don't know how far Ed might carry the discussion. I am having a little trouble getting him to really "come out" and "come clean" about what he is getting at.

Kent's FaceBook address is:

http://www.facebook.com/drkenthovind

Ter ber @ 1/22/2013 5:19 PM

These people are just that...people. They are afraid for their country becoming a state in the world govt. coming. Our police officers need to look up the dangers of agenda 21. Otherwise you will be taking your orders from the UN. beholdapalehorse.tv

Bob Samson @ 1/30/2013 7:45 PM

Wow, a lot of you really are part of building the police state. This is disgusting; you should know that stop and searches are against the constitution and people's natural rights. Not to mention you bullies that try to search without warrants and intimidate people with the threat of violence. Lastly, there are no laws that require the regular working American to submit a 1040 - the IRS refuses to point out what law requires it. My earnings as a human being are not subject to direct taxation. That's theft. YOU and big brother make lists. WE make lists of all traitors to humanity and liberty. The day is coming... choose your side wisely and stop serving fraud and theft.

Tony @ 2/1/2013 2:01 PM

What are the codes referring to the legality of taxation. And if they aren't legitimate how does one, deal with the issue and avoid going to jail.

Anon @ 2/7/2013 9:23 AM

Internal Revenue Code
Sections 1, 61, and 63 impose the tax,
Section 6012 requires you to file a tax return if you have income of more than the exemption amount plus the basic standard deduction, and
Section 6151 requires you to pay the tax at the time and place fixed for the filing of your return.

Anon @ 2/7/2013 9:24 AM

I know... I know... don't feed the trolls. But it was only a LITTLE feeding.

Glenn @ 2/15/2013 12:09 PM

Sorry, I need to correct something here that is being missed. Judge Tolen of the US Supreme Court has given his decision on the difference between comerical and private travels. Most if not all officers are in violation of the law. Remember, Ignorance of the law is no excuse. I am asking you to do your homework. Verify what I am telling you and see how you have been used and abused in your positions. Most Sovereign citizens are tired of trying to educate the cops on this issue, some understand that even if they do issue a citation. It will still remain up to the cop to prove in court that at the time of the citation the road was being used for comerical purposes by the driver, operator, etc. I am sorry, I am in no way condoning, promoting what the Sovereigns do. But cops also need a bit of accountablity. They also need to understand that they have limited powers. And that they need to be more responcable in thier action. Please look up the info, see where a lot of people are comming from. And see why a lot of them get angry. See that they actually do have standing in court because it has already been decided by the supreme court that the law applies to comerical and not private. Please relaize that someone headed home or to work is not using the roadways for profit, and that is for the private use since afterall he or she is not making money off the roadway itself. Please understand that there is a difference of who the law applies to and what law applies to whom. That is all I am asking.

nate trezza @ 2/15/2013 3:56 PM

the supreme court has ruled that a right cannot be changed into a privelage then into a crime

Ervin @ 3/3/2013 11:47 AM

Most claim to be US Citizens and further state that agents of the government at not citizens due to the oath of office which binds them to the United Nations.

Scott @ 3/9/2013 12:09 AM

@Glenn

Members of the U.S. Supreme Court are referred to as justices, not judges.

Having said that, there is not and never has been any U.S. Supreme Court justice named Tolen.

You get an F as in epic fail.

bruce @ 3/9/2013 5:50 PM

of course it's plain to see that people like yous need a few more lesson's on how to deal with government property, and this is why people like yourselves are in this situation,that you's are in?
stop bleating like sheep' this you are not, so cut it out.
2. When you realize this is whats is happening,then this first lesson will be concluded.
3.That you's are no different,but classed as inferior sheep, because your government who is also a sheep is actually an agent for the wolf,
4.And if you's all believe that this is so, then please inform others that pleasure before pain, is anal(ain't) bad as it makes out to be,with the exception of a few bleats here and there .
Shank's for nothing.

Becca @ 3/18/2013 5:17 PM

What if police officers enforced safety instead of fines. Instead of a sheriff kicking people out of their homes, they argued on their behalf for them to stay in their homes, and use necessary force to not let anyone remove them. What if sheriffs were able to enforce the "constitutional right" to housing, and put homeless people in vacant homes and protect them from eviction. What if police officers didn't give out tickets for violations, but made sure no one is fined unless value has been stolen or damaged on purpose by someone else.. What if law enforcement made sure that unreasonable fees were never issued to anyone, so that people welcome police instead of run.. From what I've learned about society, is that officers are here to have compassion and protect people from injustice, not to enforce socially accepted behavior. Many dangerous people are taken off the streets by officers;speeding drivers, DUIs,and violent outbursts. Good thing.To be more effective, police could take a stance for civilians and be our enforcers for justice instead of enforcers of fines and inhumane policies.

Darren @ 4/7/2013 10:09 PM

We do have our rights. Alot of it has been forgotten and needs to be brought to public again. Just research on where our taxes goes. We actually pay to use the roads. So why are we paying the extra money for people to bring more laws instead of paying for people to protect our rights that has been forgotten and twisted with the laws we have today? Its not right at all.

steven @ 4/9/2013 9:25 AM

Why is registrations insurance and license all state laws when U.S. Constitution says we have the inalienable right to travel and U.S. Supreme courts have upheld that. We according to both do not need any of the above when states or federal goverment has no right to inalienate our right to be on public roadways/highways for the purposes other than commerce. Period.

steven @ 4/9/2013 9:32 AM

And i am not a sovereign citizen, im a citizen of the United States, and i no longer drive with any form of tag not a lawful nor unlawful tag. I do not carry any insurance on my vehicle and although i have a valid drivers license i do not carry it, i do cooperate with officers of the law, and i do provide legal identification when so required when needed and does not violate my rights. I do not consent to searches without reasonable cause, reasonable suspicion alone does not warrant a search.

Dawn @ 4/14/2013 12:43 AM

What happens if you have gotten in trouble with the law and when you go to court to be tried you tell the judge your sovereign?

Raymond @ 5/11/2013 11:26 AM

There is so much sadness and ignorance here. 1st we have an article that has to be the most pathetic piece of propaganda I have ever read. Then we have officers who in fact take an oath to uphold the Constitution, but I would wager that none of them have even read it. Then they turn against the people that they swore they would protect. Then mockingly label them "sovereign" as if they themselves are not sovereign. We are all sovereign and we were made that way by God himself. Are we so blind? How far have we fallen from the Republic that was formed to escape tyranny? Please officers, read the Constitution after all you DID swear an oath and if you don't remember swearing it or you don't take it seriously, please turn in your badge today. You are not bill collectors, you are peace officers entrusted by the people with limited delegated authority to perform certain duties. AND PLEASE REMEMBER, you swore no oath to uphold statutes and codes and certainly did not swear to hold statutes and codes above the Constitution. If you did, you are a traitor. If you violate your oath which you all do daily, you are a traitor. IT IS YOOOOUUUUR OATH - UNDERSTAND IT! By the way, those who say "God bless you" and violate your oath are hypocrites. If you are a believer and an officer, you will soon discover that you are employed by the Beast of Revelation, but that doesn't mean you have to violate your oath to do your job...then again maybe it does....

Raymond @ 5/11/2013 1:06 PM

There is so much sadness and ignorance here. 1st we have an article that has to be the most pathetic piece of propaganda I have ever read. Then we have officers who in fact take an oath to uphold the Constitution, but I would wager that none of them have even read it. Then they turn against the people that they swore they would protect. Then mockingly label them "sovereign" as if they themselves are not sovereign. We are all sovereign and we were made that way by God himself. Are we so blind? How far have we fallen from the Republic that was formed to escape tyranny? Please officers, read the Constitution after all you DID swear an oath and if you don't remember swearing it or you don't take it seriously, please turn in your badge today. You are not bill collectors, you are peace officers entrusted by the people with limited delegated authority to perform certain duties. AND PLEASE REMEMBER, you swore no oath to uphold statutes and codes and certainly did not swear to hold statutes and codes above the Constitution. If you did, you are a traitor. If you violate your oath which you all do daily, you are a traitor. IT IS YOOOOUUUUR OATH - UNDERSTAND IT! By the way, those who say "God bless you" and violate your oath are hypocrites. If you are a believer and an officer, you will soon discover that you are employed by the Beast of Revelation, but that doesn't mean you have to violate your oath to do your job...then again maybe it does....

Raymond @ 5/12/2013 9:46 AM

There is so much sadness and ignorance here. 1st we have an article that has to be the most pathetic piece of propaganda I have ever read. Then we have officers who in fact take an oath to uphold the Constitution, but I would wager that none of them have even read it. Then they turn against the people that they swore they would protect. Then mockingly label them "sovereign" as if they themselves are not sovereign. We are all sovereign and we were made that way by God himself. Are we so blind? How far have we fallen from the Republic that was formed to escape tyranny? Please officers, read the Constitution after all you DID swear an oath and if you don't remember swearing it or you don't take it seriously, please turn in your badge today. You are not bill collectors, you are peace officers entrusted by the people with limited delegated authority to perform certain duties. AND PLEASE REMEMBER, you swore no oath to uphold statutes and codes and certainly did not swear to hold statutes and codes above the Constitution. If you did, you are a traitor. If you violate your oath which you all do daily, you are a traitor. IT IS YOOOOUUUUR OATH - UNDERSTAND IT! By the way, those who say "God bless you" and violate your oath are hypocrites. If you are a believer and an officer, you will soon discover that you are employed by the Beast of Revelation, but that doesn't mean you have to violate your oath to do your job...then again maybe it does....

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