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Philly Cops Question Open Carry Activist

Two Philadelphia Police officers question an open-carry activist in front of a Manayunk barbershop. Read the full story here.

November 21, 2012

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ETG @ 11/22/2012 7:14 AM

Open carry activists, constitutionalists, free staters, etc. etc. miss the point for sure. But we as law enforcement officers are aware that these people are out there, and despite the fact that they have some whacked out political positions they are, for the most part, law abiding citizens that are exercising their rights. Maybe their exercise of those rights is not common, but the fact that its not common is irrelevant - it s still their right. The law abiding gun owner is not the person we need to concern ourselves with. The media and misguided politicians have created an atsmophere where people focus on the guns being the problem, instead of focusing on the criminals. Gun control doesn't work because guns laws only affect the law abiding - criminals by definition don't care. Much of the perception that people have of cops is our own fault. We, as law enforcement officers, need to find a better way of dealing with the law abiding gun owner and carrier that promotes safety and preserves the citizens right to carry.

John @ 11/22/2012 8:10 AM

How can a law enforcement officers enforce laws when their totally oblivious to the laws in their own state. They say they were "investigating". Did they have reason to believe that a crime had occurred, or was about to occur, or are they just upset that CITIZENS in their state also have the right to carry a firearm in public. Maybe they should try reading the U.S. Constitution, preferably the 2nd Amendment. Clowns.

Hiram Legree @ 11/22/2012 9:12 AM

Isn't it incredibly arrogant ... and probably unconstitutional ... that retired police officers can carry anywhere and anything and anyway they please, while taxpayer citizens are subject to harassment, regulation, and jumping through hoops?

coolhandluke @ 11/22/2012 12:16 PM

Hiram Legree, excellent point...if citizens have the training why not let them have the obility to protect themselves and thier loved ones.

Locostoko @ 11/22/2012 2:50 PM

I have met police officers like this before. They have badges, guns, but no common sense. Hopefully I will not get stopped by idiots like this because being 70 years old and having served 22 years in the US Army I have no time for this disrespectful bullspit. I have a concealed carry permit and never leave home with my piece.

John @ 11/23/2012 1:30 AM

I'm not a big supporter of open carry, but these officers need to learn all the relevant laws before trying to enforce the laws

Also, how many crimes were committed while these officers were harassing one citizen. Their department must be too large.

AZBIGDOG @ 11/23/2012 6:59 AM

I supported while an officer Concealed carry. And responded to many reports of man with gun because someone felt they needed to display a weapon to be some kind of bad ***. An armed criminal is not someone who is going to ask first and be polite, he is simply going to kill the biggest threat to his life, and that is the armed citizen who is displaying his gun openly.

As for retired officers being allowed to carry all over as Hiram Legree stated, you are wrong. You need to look into the cost, the required paper work, the type of qualification needed, and the fact you have to do it all over in a year, plus carry around papers etc. to do it.

CHUCK CORSI @ 11/23/2012 11:31 AM

on our dept ...when we retired ..we are issued a retired id... badge and after qualification.. [if we carry a semi auto.. an /or a revolver ..we have to qualify with both ]....a concealed carry i.d with our dept. name on it ..which is good for 1 yr .... then we must qualify again ..we are fortunate ..that our dept qualifies its own retired people and is not afraid of the liability"" .."like so many other departments ...retired .deputy sheriff ..w.c.s.p.

CT LEO RET @ 11/23/2012 7:23 PM

Sadly these officers failed to use "common sense". They don't know the laws that they took an oath to up hold. I hope that their agency provides them with re-training.

Stan @ 11/24/2012 12:28 PM

If this officier was truley worried about the Glock 23, why was he not looking at the subject more?

Burt Gummer @ 11/25/2012 2:07 PM

Ignorant Thugs with badges, and other thugs with badges wonder why they are so despised by the public.

dan @ 11/25/2012 5:04 PM

It seems that in all these type of encounters that the central issue is ...lack of police knowledge of the LAW....more training in this area is required...all over this country...

David @ 11/25/2012 10:12 PM

Sadly, none of the comments covered the simple fact that it is unconstitutional to charge a fee and require training to exercise an inalienable right. The Constitution enumerates the rights; it doesn't grant them. The two thugs in this encounter are the stereotypical types that seek a career in law enfprcement these days. High school educated with a community college vocabulary and a penchant for control.

Dan (not the 1st dan) @ 11/26/2012 7:04 AM

David: You are an idiot! It has not been decided whether or not it is "unconstitutional." Secondly, some states have concealed carry laws, but not open carry. Those that strap a gun on their hip and parade around with it openly are the thugs that are saying,"Don't mess with me. I'm a bad***."

S.S @ 11/26/2012 7:49 AM

It's just like I said the departments nationwide need to train their officers on an annual basis for these laws. What really sux though are all the morons that are bashing the police for something that they have no clue about. YOU PEOPLE are truly the ignorant ones.

Petey @ 11/26/2012 3:19 PM

My state not only has Federal & state laws, there are also city laws governing carrying. Our state allows a person to carry with a CC permit, but the person must conceal it, if encountered by the police it must be declared it. People who open carry, can be charged for violating hunting laws, having a loaded gun in a vehicle and other laws. I never do it, but I know officers who do & won in court & on defendants appeal, the officers also won again. In WV if anyone sees another who is carrying & feels a threat in anyway the person carrying can & often is charged with brandishing. No intent is needed for the brandishing charge. People say, “I looked it up on the internet & it said I could”. What they looked up was completely WRONG, I showed them the state code book & what the real law was. Often the internet doesn’t show people the court cases from the laws that more importantly tell us officers what we can & cannot do! Everyone says the cops don’t know the laws, does anyone on here know the laws in the officers jurisdiction?

Petey @ 11/26/2012 3:20 PM

If I see a person walking with open carry going in a business I stop & check them. I believe anyone who is legally allowed to carry should, but responsibly. I’ve responded many times where a person carried his gun in a business having it “in view” that caused others to worry if they’re going to be robbed. Take account where this is going on, is it a high crime area where shootings & violence happen all the time or an area that welcomes the good old boy & never has crime. Having a person cover their weapon doesn’t take their right away to carry & as in my state it should be law. If a cop sees a person with a gun going in & out of stores he better check on it, what if the person going in a business & the business owner shoots a person when they readjust their holster since he’s scared of getting robbed again as he has several times in the past. As I said, any person who is legally allowed to carry a gun should be made to, but covering it

Petey @ 11/26/2012 3:21 PM

S.S you are right some of the peoples post are truly ignorant!

Howard @ 11/26/2012 4:03 PM

Im agreeing with every comment here. soon it will be a police state

Don't need permission @ 11/26/2012 5:15 PM

@petey the cops are free to "check out" somebody I guess, but if it's not a crime, you can't COMPEL under threat of arrest to show id, give an interview, or allow themselves to be disarmed.

George @ 11/27/2012 2:28 AM

It is an officer's duty to check out things that appear to be out of the norm. However these officers did not appear to be properly aware of the firearm laws in their state and just aggravated the situation unnecessarily. The man gave reasonable responses but he was told to shut up. Since he was given that instruction under color of law and without apparent justification, I wonder if they actually violated his first ammendment rights. Extremely poor IPC.

john @ 11/29/2012 8:47 AM

a cop for 18 years and he doesn't know basic carry laws? wow. its kind of scary how clueless the cop is. maybe ill print out the info and bring it with me when i carry. according to the law, the cop has no right to check his photo id, let alone arrest and detain him

Tom @ 11/30/2012 9:31 PM

UN-real These two cops don't even speak American English. You expect them to know the Constitution? These are the retards with badges that permeate our country. Good Cops with knowledge of the United States Constitution are becoming a rare bird. @Mr. ETG nothing whacked out about being free. You swore an oath...UPHOLD IT.

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