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On-Body Cam Captures N.M. Police Shooting

Albuquerque (N.M.) Police Officer Damian Lujan's on-body video camera captured his use of deadly force after responding to a DV call. Read the full news story.

July 28, 2011

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M.Conner @ 7/28/2011 5:17 PM

Deadly force is exactly that. The only training I see the officer needing is more time on the range. The suspect should be dead. He would not follow commands, and continued to pose a threat to the officer and anyone else in the area. The officer could not take the chance of the suspect taking flight and/or returning to finish off the girlfriend.
Well Done Officer

young112 @ 7/28/2011 5:37 PM

shoot to live

FrankD @ 7/28/2011 5:44 PM

I wonder what the brother would say if he had stabbed the girlfriend and wounded the officer with that knife? Forty police officer have died this year dealing with nut cases some from Domestics.

Jeff @ 7/28/2011 6:08 PM

Retraining? Better alternatives!? No wonder you had a hard time looking into the camera! Actions are completely your brothers 100% fault. Your luck he's alive. The officers tried less-lethal when they really didn't have to. TWICE even! No retraining necessary and media stop with the boo hoo for the bad guy routine. Praise the good work of innocent police trying to do their job protecting people from dangerous knife weilding people who can't control their own anger. Good job officers!

Rick @ 7/28/2011 6:17 PM

To the brother: I would say that since the officer tased him twice all the while giving loud verbal commands prior to launching lead, the "alternative" force suggestion was definitely covered. Had his suggested 'shot in the leg' missed and hit a bystander, he would have condemned that as well. We can never please everyone, but the fact that the officers went home safe is the important thing...

Scott @ 7/28/2011 6:21 PM

The first mistake was the use of a Taser in this situation. Thank God the Officers were not sliced or stabbed by this guy. The Officers showed restraint and it is obvious they wanted this guy to live or all three would have opened up on him. It worked out for the best as all three officers went home. The second mistake was made by the media when they put the brother on and allowed him to show his lack of intelligence to all of his fellow New Mexico citizens. Shoot him in the leg?? Sorry Pizano, You would be better off teaching your brother the proper way to treat a lady and her family. Had you done that, your brother wouldn't be sitting in a hospital nursing gunshot wounds. He's lucky, those officers showed more restraint than most officers would have in such an incident. He's lucky he isn't asking the public for donations to bury his brother.

Tom @ 7/28/2011 6:34 PM

Why is it that the news media always wants to get a relative to comment on how the police should have handled the situation or what a great guy the suspect was. It usually goes something like this-he was just getting his life together and thinking about attending college or some other BS. In this case the brother thinks the police should have done this or done that. Why do we care what the brain dead brother thinks? He apparently has overlooked the option of his brother dropping the knife.

David @ 7/28/2011 6:41 PM

Better to be tried by 12, than carried by 6. If a taser wasn't working, watch choice did they have? 15 feet away, still with the weapon, is a blink of the eye between the officer going home and the subject killing him.

MediCop @ 7/28/2011 8:20 PM

All I can say is that had it not been for the video, I'm sure the story would have had many more interviews...all giving their opinions on how the "murderous" officers didn't even give the poor guy a chance. Let's face it, I really don't know any officers who WANT to be involved in a shooting. However, an officer has to do whatever it takes to make sure he or she goes home to their family at the end of the shift. A knife-wielding suspect who has been tased twice yet STILL has the weapon in his a good way for the officer to never make it home again. Tragic situation, but it appears to me that the officer did what he felt necessary to save his life or those of his fellow officers or citizens.

Andy @ 7/28/2011 9:06 PM

First of all the family were the ones' who called the police. They apparently feared for their own safety. What did the brother expect. A knife is more dangerous at close range than a gun. The suspect was given ample opportunity to drop the weapon when an officer is confronted with deadly they are taught to clearly aim at center mass to stop the threat. As for the suspect being shot multiple times you fire until the threat is nuetrlized. The officer's were able to go home alive
and without injury. No officer take pleasure in taking someone's life
But at times it has to be done.

Joe @ 7/28/2011 9:16 PM

Clearly the officers gave the bad guy every chance. A COUPLE OF LEG SHOTS? WTH is that idiot talking about. I guess his gang is a kinder and gentler gang and only injure people they do a drive by on.

timewatcher @ 7/28/2011 10:42 PM

Leg shots? Are you f'ing serious?

Cnd Cop @ 7/28/2011 11:31 PM

Unreal comments by his brother. Just boils my blood. " They could have taken one or two shots at his legs" , and " I hope they can take this video as a training too" wtf ! This guy sudden is a Use of Force expert. Take a good look at who caused the incident . Your brother! Pure head shaker.

Rick Bonneau @ 7/29/2011 4:54 AM

Ok...Francis, you have obviously never been on this side of the badge. One or two leg shots would have been sufficient?? I don't think so. The one thing we are taught is to shoot center mass. If I need to neutralize a person from causing serious bodily harm or death to myself or another person I am not wasting my time trying to shoot the legs of a moving target. I am shooting at the largest body mass available to me to stop the threat immediately. Sit in on a Surviving Edged Weapons Class sometime and see how quickly a person with a weapon can attack before an officer can even unholster. Knife threats are very real and should be taken very seriously. Get a grip Francis....He got what he deserved. Kudos to the officers involved. You don't need retraining, you deserve a medal.

Pat D @ 7/29/2011 5:21 AM

Leg shots??? Are you kidding me? These people watch too many Clint Eastwood movies.

Eddie @ 7/29/2011 5:31 AM

I am in ALETA training now to be a reserve deputy, I can tell you it was handle just as we are taught. I think the officer did what it took to maintain and contain the situation. JOB WELL DONE

Kyle David Fallon @ 7/29/2011 5:57 AM

Deadly force. Has anyone ever been taught to shoot folks in the legs?? That is just on TV. The officer should treat any threat to take his life as an incident of deadly force. AND WHO IS COUNTING SHOTS!!! This relative needs training, not the cops. Amen brother. <><

TAC MEDIC @ 7/29/2011 5:58 AM

Suspect was within 15 feet and had been tazed twice but remained non compliant. This was absolutely a justified shoot and the suspect is fortunate to be alive.

jeff @ 7/29/2011 6:11 AM

The brother you can tell has never been in a split second decsion a person with a knife can close the distance he was from the officers in three seconds they tased him twice still no compliance they did what they were trained to do there is no shoot to wound ,the brothers coments should not have been put on tv because nomater what he would say that something else could have been done and the news just wants ratings and are probley against guns anyway.

jack @ 7/29/2011 8:00 AM

We are trained to use deadly force until the subject's aggressive actions have stopped.Subject refused to comply with officer presence,verbal commands,taser deployed TWICE, refused to drop his weapon.....Well done officer's,due to your great training you went home that day safe as it should be.

DJ @ 7/29/2011 8:05 AM

His brother says he "could understadnd one or two leg shots"--right. Because we all shoot like Roy Rogers, right? This ain't Hollywood.

Brian Patrick Davidson @ 7/29/2011 8:32 AM

At our annual citizen's academy, we demo this very scenario. The citizens are the officer and given a red training gun. The role player brandishes a knife. They are asked "at what point would you use deadly force". Action being faster than reaction, the role player "stabs" the officer every time......

Police are trained to "stop the threat" period!

Michael Milihram @ 7/29/2011 9:19 AM

Clearly this is an example of how press/media and civilians just DON'T have a clue as to what it is to be responsible for carrying a gun and a badge and protecting and serving a large civilian population. For the suspects brother to say ANYTHING about the number of shots fired, or "...they should have used a couple of leg shots..." is clearly an example of ignorance and emotionally-based comments, not clear thinking or analysis. I've had 23 years experience as a military police officer, and have just completed a five week training academy under the Federal Protective Service and Virginia's DCJS armed security programs so I know how lethal force is taught from a variety of perspectives; it's all pretty much the same, and the officer doesn't need any more training, other than, as someone else posted, more RANGE TIME!! Other than that, a righteous shoot.

Chip @ 7/29/2011 9:20 AM

Yeh right, "shoot him in the legs." Why not do some John Wayne stuff and shoot the knife out of his hand. This officer was confronted by a individual that was tased two times and still came @ the officer. If there are folks out there that think that a knife wielding person posses less a threat to an officer than one armed with a handgun, then put yourselves in his shoes. They can be on you in a heartbeat. I feel this officer showed restraint by the numerous times he shouted his warning . It's an unfortunate situation, but one where the officer did as he was trained and was able to go home to his family, which, is becoming more and more less likely in the officers favor these days.

steve @ 7/29/2011 10:25 AM

maybe his mom and dad should have trained him different and not to use knife s around police officers. My kids all know when a police officer ask you to do something you comply. That officer is scared, and wants to go home to his family. you dont take out a knife or gun around a police officer unless you want to meet your maker.

Wayne Hanks @ 7/29/2011 12:11 PM

After having attended Street Survival seminars by Calibre Press(6x since 1999) officers learn that the minimum distance for an Officer to safely draw and fire at a knife wielding suspect is 21 feet. This officer was/is justified in doing what he needed to do.

Bruce @ 7/29/2011 2:11 PM

PLEASE........ A leg shot? Have you ever faced a knife weilding suspect? I have, 15 feet is too close for comfort...... We train to shoot center mass, stop the threat, not a this leg or that leg...

wolfva @ 7/29/2011 2:56 PM

No, the brother is right! They should have shot him with Phasers set on stun! That always works on Star Trek! Or, done a completely wicked back spin kick like Texas, Walker Ranger! See, that's the solution! Just get the Texas Rangers to train these cops!

/sarcasm off

I can understand his being upset that his brother was shot. Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it. They could have shot him in the leg twice? And what if they severed the femoral artery and he bled out? Then he'd be whining they should have...what? Tased him a third time? Bleh. People like this are why I'm against citizen advisory boards. Idiots who know nothing except what they see on TV thinking they can make judgements on professionals.

Kurt @ 7/29/2011 3:40 PM

As a firearms instructor we teach center mass, no leg or arms, and if it take 15 rounds to stop the threat so be it. From what I saw in the video the officer did it by the book.

ocifer2649 @ 7/29/2011 6:06 PM

Better training?!?! Are you effin serious? The only better training would have been a single head shot. That would be better that a "couple of leg shots". Stupid people should not be put on TV.

Rob @ 7/30/2011 3:30 PM

Any time you want training, tactical, or techincal information about how a situation should be handled, don't ask a trained professional. Ask the brother of guy who was shot. Surely, the brother of a guy who was shot is an expert on police tactics and what should be done.

Joshua @ 7/30/2011 11:29 PM

I bet when he gets out of prison, he will listen to police commands in the future!

Bravo1 @ 7/31/2011 5:08 AM

brother that was a guy?- that was part of the problem

the so called bro does not have a clue

Rjai @ 7/31/2011 11:04 AM

Seriously,alternative measures? Just what does his brother think verbal commands and Tasers are? I am always amazed at how the family of some disobeying, weapon toting criminal who is shot by the police based on their decision to challenge police authority, AFTER family members call the police to resolve a violent situation because they are afraid of the person's behavior, yet they want to blame the police when the criminal is injured or killed. In this situation the alternative was for his brother to act like a man and not beat on women, not threaten the officers with the knife and to obey police commands.

Gary @ 7/31/2011 8:07 PM

The officers used all reasonable methods they had at the time, and time was obviously of the essence, to stop prevent this individual from using a deadly weapon against them and potentially other helpless people nearby. We are trained to shoot until the threat is stopped in situations where deadly force is employed. I agree with a previous comment, in that maybe the officer who used his duty weapon needs more range time...

John @ 8/1/2011 5:38 AM

The brother has no idea what he is talking about. "Leg Shots" hmm.... He needs to take a deadly force class before he speaks. He has no idea what he is talking about....

Officer#3604 @ 8/3/2011 5:27 PM

Relative said, "One or two leg shots would have been sufficient." You always know when someone says that statement, they do not have law enforcement training. We are trained to use deadly force only when needed, we are not trained to shoot people in the leg. We are trained to stop the threat.

morty @ 8/5/2011 2:30 PM

anyone that suggests that police shoot a suspect in a leg has no concept or knowledge of self defense or use of force...he should have apologized for his criminal brother and ended it at that...

Roger @ 8/16/2011 7:36 AM

I can understand grief and confusion when a family member is shot. But the media focuses on that and not the reality. I think the public needs education on what deadly force incidents involved. The officers used several levels of lesser force ineffectively and had to use deadly force. A person's "fear" of the police is an empty argument. We are dealing with BEHAVIOR not feelings. I am a former therapist.

Roger @ 8/16/2011 7:37 AM

I can understand grief and confusion when a family member is shot. But the media focuses on that and not the reality. I think the public needs education on what deadly force incidents involved. The officers used several levels of lesser force ineffectively and had to use deadly force. A person's "fear" of the police is an empty argument. We are dealing with BEHAVIOR not feelings. I am a former therapist.

Roger @ 8/16/2011 7:39 AM

I can understand grief and confusion when a family member is shot. But the media focuses on that and not the reality. I think the public needs education on what deadly force incidents involve. The officers used several levels of lesser force ineffectively and had to use deadly force. I agree with the comments that the taser was not the best choice. A person's "fear" of the police is an empty argument. We are dealing with BEHAVIOR not feelings. I am a former therapist.

Bryan @ 8/17/2011 9:30 AM

Shoot him in the leg, thats hollywood. Center mass stop the threat

HospCop @ 8/23/2011 7:29 AM

That brothers whole rant reeked of lawyer! Can you say another wrongful death suit for a POS!

Jim @ 9/29/2011 8:17 PM

Good job brother in blue. Stay safe!

JIM @ 9/30/2011 7:05 AM

Anyone run the brother to see if he had warrants?

74P @ 10/4/2011 9:18 AM

Leg shot? Its clear the brother has absolutely no clue. Gotta live the idiots who think they can shoot someone in the leg in that type of situation.

Eric @ 10/19/2011 12:18 PM

There is no such thing as shooting to wound.

Mary @ 1/2/2012 3:07 PM

We are trained to shoot "center mass" for several reasons. We are trained to "shoot to stop" - if God decides to take his life, that's between him and God. That officer did an excellent job.

cynthia @ 1/11/2012 6:59 AM

I work in Law Enforcement, and have a son who is an officer. I thank God everyday when I come to work, and check to make sure that ALL

of our officers made it home safe from their shift. This animal, (and I'm sorry, Bro. but that's what he is) should have been eliminated when he refused the first order. A doped-up animal or My Guys????

No contest.

D. McDaniel @ 2/27/2012 9:09 AM

Well said M. Conner.

Travis Davis @ 3/27/2012 12:23 PM

OK..everyone shoot at only legs from now on. Got it? And only one or shots are now permited!

Jason @ 4/28/2012 12:41 PM

There is no way to tell what this guy was on, It may have taken that many rounds to stop him. Good shoot, job well done. 10-8

Hannahbullecter @ 1/23/2015 9:28 PM

Good job! I pray for the safety of our officers. You are in combat daily with the drudge of societ . You are not appreciated and actually hated. I appreciate you all. Thank you. One down, many thugs left to go!

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