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Radio Traffic from Deadly Cleveland Shooting

Police dispatch audio reveals the conflicting descriptions from officers of suspects who led several agencies oin a pursuit that ended with the two suspects fatally shot by officers who fired 137 shots. Read the full story here.

December 04, 2012

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Dan @ 12/5/2012 6:32 AM

I do not envy anyone being in the position to make a decision to end a human life. Whether they were right or wrong, the media and the public will make those officers wrong. Suppositions will be made and others will take them as fact.

Reggie @ 12/5/2012 1:56 PM

Fact: Americans are more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist.

charlie @ 12/6/2012 12:21 AM

And your point is Reggie?

Martin @ 12/6/2012 4:52 PM

Good point Charlie!!!

Jim A @ 12/9/2012 12:22 PM

So, the comment about more people being killed by cops than terrorists leads me to believe that police are doing a good job controlling terrorists - but the public is doing a bad job of controlling themselves. Like these two idiots. They had lots of time to surrender and submit to authority. They were certainly up to something evil. When you put yourself in that position, you have to expect SOMETHING bad to happen and you are just betting that the bad is not the worst. IF YOU COMPLY with the law, you have no fear of the police.

JB @ 2/6/2013 6:25 PM

Have the gun residue tests come back on the two deceased criminals? Has anybody thought they could have tossed the guns out the window sometime towards the end of the chase????

Randy Torgerson @ 2/6/2013 6:34 PM

Really Jim A? They may have been up to something evil, but if you as an officer don't know what that is, you can't just shoot people. You can't shoot someone just for running from the police and no other reason. You can't shoot people because they did shoot at you but at the time the cop decided to shoot there were no weapons visible. There has to be an immediate threat, not one in the past, assuming they did have a firearm and were shooting out the window. It very well may be that there was no firearm in possession by the suspects. Did any officer see a muzzle flash since it was dark outside.... If your not able to make a reasonable decision as a police officer, you shouldn't be one. If they were being fired at, at the time the police fired back then god bless em'.... But according to the state attorney general there is a problem.

Jim B. @ 2/7/2013 6:15 AM

Randy, I am sorry to say that your concept of when lethal force is justified is incorrect. We do not have to wait for the suspect to fire at us to return fire. We do not have to wait for them to have the gun in their hand for us to fire. They do not have to have fired the gun at all for us to fire. We don't even have to see the gun to fire. It all comes down to what the officer reasonably believed at the time they fired. If the officer had reason to believe the suspect was armed (as was reported by several officers during the pursuit) and the actions of the suspect indicate they intend to harm the officer (or someone else), then lethal force is justified to stop the threat. I realize there was a lot going on in this incident, as there are in most police shootings. That is just a thumbnail sketch of what justifies deadly force by the police. Any ideas you have that the police have to take a punch before we can give a punch or get shot at before we can shoot, are just plain wrong.

t. murphy @ 2/7/2013 8:51 AM

Jim, thanks for explaining that to Randy. Why can't the public understand the police don't go to roll call and decide they are going to shoot someone today. The bad guys need to be held accountable for their actions. And whoever asked about gun residue I did read the test was positive.

oldcop @ 2/7/2013 12:07 PM

Randy you need to read the full story. Even given they did not fire shots, they had assaulted and officer with a deadly weapon (car) and they were endangering the public by the way they were driving. The officers had a duty to stop the threat to themselves and the public. None of us know what went throught the officers mind that started shooting and unless we do we have no idea if the threshhold for shooting the suspects had been reached. So much is determined by the officers perception of the incident that without interviewing him we don't know if it was or was not justified. I do these investigations and it never ceases to amaze me how well trained officers respond under stress.
Oh and to Reggie, many more americans are killed by doctors than by police officers so what does that prove.

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