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Philly Cop Slapped at Oktoberfest

A Philadelphia Police bicycle patrol officer was slapped by a patron at a South Street beer festival in September. The officer then grabs the man and strikes him with a baton, ending the fight. Read the full story here.

October 16, 2012

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Rick @ 10/16/2012 4:33 PM

Ouch! Is that blood on the street coming from the guys head being bashed in?

Obey the Law @ 10/16/2012 4:45 PM

Keep your hands to yourself bad guys....

JM @ 10/16/2012 4:55 PM

Drunk slapping cop = bad idea... Cop striking drunk in the head with baton = very bad idea. While use of force is justified, I think the type and application may cause the officer problems...

Mearle @ 10/16/2012 4:56 PM

The only possible mistake I see is he did not handcuff him after he subdued him

Shane @ 10/16/2012 4:59 PM

One down he was no longer a threat, he was defensless and could not hear or understand commands if even cammands were given

Shane @ 10/16/2012 5:01 PM

Bad idea to slap L.E.
The officer did have to defend himself, not known if slapper had weapons on his person.
Once on ground he should of been cuffed.

John Russell @ 10/16/2012 5:06 PM

Imagine if this guy had set up the COP and five UFC fighter came barreling in practically killing the TWO JIGS and beat the hell outof the COP with 5 SNIPERS moutned on rooftops awaiting more of youjack thugs and then had airsupport with old P-51 s fitted ...with MG-42s liucky I'm not bad guy huh?

[email protected] @ 10/16/2012 5:06 PM

In what training have any of us in LE been taught to keep our hands at our side and stick our faces out. Good thing it was a slap and not a hay maker. However, if you slap an officer game on bad guy.

William 322 @ 10/16/2012 5:22 PM

Civilian made his choice, a bad one. Once on the ground,however, he should have been cuffed,then he should have called for back up.

Retired Lt. @ 10/16/2012 5:32 PM

You did your job, now cuff him and get him out of their...with what I saw, justified a$$ kicking arrest

JJ @ 10/16/2012 5:40 PM

In the old days, slapping a cop or any unwanted contact was cause to go the hospital in route to jail! Yep, a slap the face by a man is likely to produce a violent reaction. Give the cop a commendation for not doing more damage.

Bob T.retired NYS LEO @ 10/16/2012 6:00 PM

I agree with JJ. The old detour en-route to booking was a common practice if you hit or hurt an officer. Not to criticize, but I think when the officer looks back he will see he should have been in the combat stance and ready to strike. Yes he could've been sucker punched but we live and learn, I did. I hated domestic calls and drunks on said calls.

Micheal O @ 10/16/2012 6:41 PM

The rules are you just don't attack LEO's. If you do bad things are going to happen. The jerk should have been handcuffed as soon as possible, even drunk people can pull triggers and use knifes. This officer took decisive action and brought the incident to a fast conclusion that likely protected others from injury...good for him!

Whiskey6 @ 10/16/2012 8:15 PM

When something is a "stupid idea" is really is just a "stupid idea" and spontaneous stupid is the worse of all-- next time you see someone with a pitbull just walk right on up there, grab one of the dog's ears, and twist real hard; any guesses as to what happens next? Slapping a LEO falls in this same catagory, and if I may quote the venerable Forest Gump " stupid is as stupid does". Good job LEO! Hope the perp learns a lesson and is "less stupid" in the future (it could save his life). OBTW, the screamer (wife?) has a really nice voice! She can hit the notes and carry the tune!

Ti @ 10/16/2012 8:32 PM

Fool with the bull and you get the horn!

JD @ 10/16/2012 9:07 PM

Extremely poor tactics! Which agency in the Country teaches a deadly force response to a slap? A baton to the face is deadly force. Graham V. Connor spells it out pretty clearly. I fail to see where the cop's response was completely reasonable. Thumpin'?...Yes. Baton to the head. I think not.

naynaybeme @ 10/17/2012 3:04 AM

Girlfriend/Wife CLEARLY intoxicated too! All mad at dude until is butt is laying on the street looking real stupid. Now she's all over him. Not has bad as it looked. A little ass whoopin never hurt nobody.

John @ 10/17/2012 5:23 AM

the baton only hit his face because the guy moved and tried to block it. A reactionary gap would have been a good idea for the officer but, his actions should be judge by the "reasonable officer" standard not the "reasonable blogger" standard. In so far as Graham v. Conner...It was a "good faith effort to maintain or restore order"

S.S @ 10/17/2012 6:53 AM

John Russell by reading your post I think you missed your scheduled time for your medication. The officer did what he had to good job. Handcuff asap though.

Steve @ 10/17/2012 7:28 AM

Been in LE for 38 years. Seen this happen too many times. The officer should have taken the time to talk this fella down from whatever the situation was. What we saw on this video was nothing more than a mouthy drunk "being mouthy". The officer got way too close to the perpetrator and should be glad the guy (or his girlfriend) didn't have a weapon handily available. It could have been bad for the officer, even though it looks like the officer had some "security" backup. As angry as we have a tendency to get at these morons, we should remember they are 'drunk' and not let them push our buttons. My ASP training firmly stated you don't hit a person in the head. I hope the officer doesn't lose his job as a result of this mouthy drunk and his own poor judgement. Some scumbag defense attorney is going to love this video!

Steve @ 10/17/2012 7:48 AM

Thought I'd add to my other post. I notice a lot of comments on here stating the the guy got what he deserved and that the officer did nothing wrong other than not handcuffing him immediately. The handcuffing part I agree with, the rest I would take issue with. Many years ago when I was a young officer we could do what this officer did and not have to worry about it coming back to bite us. Today, as this incident proves, there is a camera taking stills or videos of everything we do. Is busting this drunks chops really that important, even if he deserves it as in this case, to have to sit before a committee or jury and try to justify your actions. Having some smug, dirtybag attorney doing his best to humiliate me would be way worse, to me, than a slap from a drunk. And to lose my job as a result would just add insult to injury. Young officers: Take time to think before acting in these situations! It may save you a lot of unnecessary grief down the road.

B.T.Roberts @ 10/17/2012 8:20 AM

Absolutely correct Steve; spot-on.
As an LEO why is it we think we are supposed to put ourselves in that position, absolutely correct the scum bag bottom feeders will be all over this and all for the assertion of authority. Looked like Eric Cartman in the hall way screaming “respect my authorati”
Did anyone see those two hunks of beef with security shirts on? What the hell are they getting paid for? Private security should deal with that kind of situation, cop doesn’t lose his career (house, car, furniture, FREEDOM) Taxpayers of the jurisdiction don’t lose millions.
One cop, bunch of drunks = bad scenario, no second guessing that!

kc3101 @ 10/17/2012 10:08 AM

I think he peed himself. Desperaty badguys size larger than officer, crowd that could become hostile. All this is good reason for officer to do whatever it takes to get pukebag under control, however I think that handcuffs (seen on officers belt) should of been applied. I handcuff dead badguys so one that just slapped me is always going to be cuffed after the confrontation

Jason Barnes @ 10/17/2012 10:34 AM

Bothered by the cop continuing to hit once the guy was down and controlled. And strikes to the head can be crippling or lethal. Perhaps if the cop was better-trained he could have controlled/taken down the perp without doing the caveman clubbing bit. I was also surprised by the failure to remove/control the woman (his girlfriend/wife?) who was in the middle of things and maybe aggravating things. This incident isn't in the same league as the recent beating of the homeless man in NYC, but it's easy to argue that the officer here was way over the line.

Jim A @ 10/17/2012 12:51 PM

Several people tried to talk the idiot bad-guy out of causing an issue. He insisted on continuing. The officer just reacted to being assaulted. Essentially, I can say that if you slap my face, you have shown your colors (code red). Then kick your ass and t your colors are changed to code black and blue. I disagree the suspect was "defenseless", but do agree the cop should have handcuffed the suspect right away.

D Marshall @ 10/17/2012 1:26 PM

Finally, real police work.

kar @ 10/17/2012 2:22 PM

Great job, the officer did what he had to do to stop the attack. maybe the suspect will think twice before hitting a cop again.

oldcop @ 10/17/2012 4:10 PM

Sorry Steve but I disagree with you as to the use of force. One of the blogger punks spelled out the real issue. In a crowd like this by himself immediate compliance is needed otherwise crowd mentallity enters the picture. Either you take controll of the situation or you walk away, I wouldn't of held it against him for doing either because I wasn't there. As to the strike to the head if he intended to hit him in the head you are right bad practice unless you can justify deadly force but it looked to me like it was aimed at his arm or shoulder and got deflected by the perps hand. Just guessing but that is what it looked like to me. Either way your right about the attorney's they will convince him he has a case just so they can get a few bucks from the system.

Capt. Mike @ 10/17/2012 5:27 PM

Nice job brother next time cuff him

JMD @ 10/18/2012 5:40 AM

I have been in law enforcement for over 28 years the last ten as a use of force and firearms trainer and supervisor. I was around when six shot revolvers, slap jacks and hickory night sticks were the weapons of choice and "tune ups" were condcuted on a regular basis for mouthy prisoners and subjects. Gentlemen those days are gone forever, this was excessive force by any policy I have ever seen. Additionally, the officer's tactics, positioning etc..goes against all the training I have been in or taught and it is exactly this type of tactics or lack of tactics and one riot one ranger attitude that gets officers killed.

John @ 10/18/2012 7:34 AM

I love the fact that the Girl/Wife what have you.... States get up you FAT FUCK! The Officer involved was way too relaxed; arms down to his side etc... A smack today may prevent him from receiving something worse tomorrow! Hope supervision points that out when reviewed.

Mitch @ 10/18/2012 10:41 PM

JD - I disagree with you regarding your statement that Graham v. Connor spells out a clear definition of deadly force. This case definitely comes into play here but it has to do with the objective reasonableness standard and whether or not our brother officer used excessive force in the course of making the arrest on this POS. Remeber it's a 3 pronged test : 1) Severity of the Crime; 2) Does the suspect pose an immediate danger to the officer and/or public; 3) Is the suspect ACTIVELY fleeing or resisting arrest. Let's do the math-- 1)Battery on an Officer; 2)Suspect is violent and unchecked for weapons. Officer did not have backup and unknown if perp had friendlies close by; 3) Slapping a cop is considered actively resisting. Deadly force was not intentionally used and if this was an issue you need to look at Tennessee v. Garner not Graham v. Connor. I say good day sir.

Mitch @ 10/18/2012 10:57 PM

Also - Agree he should have cuffed immediately, controlled the wife, and got the suspect away from the scene in order to properly render aid. However, I find it disturbing that a couple of you think the officer shouldn't have put himself in that position. WTF! We as LEO have to be smart and reasonable in our responses knowing that we are always on video, BUT we can never let the suspect get away with slapping an officer of the law and allow everyone to think that is the norm. Verbal abuse is one thing but if you think it's okay to take physical abuse, you're a disgrace to the uniform. Probably that officer that causes everybody to cringe when you show up on a violent or rapidly evolving scene, that is if you even show up at all.

Lee @ 10/21/2012 7:41 AM

Looks to me like the officer stopped hitting this drunk as soon as the drunk stopped resisting. I have seen some videos where a leo went overboard but this is not one of them.

And just think now this guy no longer has teeth getting in the way of his refreshments.

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