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NYPD Cop's Fight with Homeless Man

Two officers from NYPD's 71st Precinct forcefully arrested a homeless man who pushed one of the officers at a Crown Heights youth center. After the push, one officer can be seen punching the man. A second officer uses her baton and pepper spray. Read the full story here.

October 15, 2012

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coolhandluke @ 10/15/2012 5:58 PM

Looks like some NYPD Ofcs need to hit the treadmill...

michael @ 10/15/2012 6:09 PM

Once again, the headlines are misleading "NYPD Brutally Assaults"....... BS. This suspect failed to comply with the officers orders and resisted when the officers were trying to take him into custody. When you are a police officer, there is no second place winners, you fu-king people need to wake up and realize this is real life. The officers did a good job in my book, the officers did what they had too.

John G. @ 10/15/2012 6:14 PM

The male was resisting and took a fighting stance. As an officer you do what you need to do to get the job done and go home safe at the end of watch. Does it look bad, yes. If any of the citizens who think that criminals always comply nicely with please and thank you want to do the job for a day, come on down. I bet you'll change your mind when you see what it really takes to do a police officer's job. TV is nothing like real life folks.

Bob@Az. @ 10/15/2012 6:44 PM

I watched the entire video and am a bit stumped as to why neither Officer attemped to verify the mans story. Yes, he did refuse to be taken into custody, after asking why and not getting a response. How can they charge him with tresspassing when he had permission? If that was a "fighting stance" then my old eyes are failing. None of his actions earned him the beating that he got. I am well aware of what it takes to "get the job done" and go home safe, but I still think it was over done. Blues, stay safe.

Jim @ 10/15/2012 7:07 PM

I will admit that while watching the video the first time around I did start to think that MAYBE the first round of punches was going a bit far. Like I said, MAYBE. But as you watch the video it becomes clear that the guy is still actively and vigorously resisting.

He clearly resisted initially attempts to take him into custody that justifies the initial physical tactics to subdue him. If he is continuing to fight back the officers have no choice but to increase the level of violence until he is controlled.

I don't know if these officers had tasers but when he initially started backing away and pushing would have been a good time to deploy one.

But all in all, I see nothing wrong with the officers actions. The suspect dictated the response and he got the response he asked for.

Jim @ 10/15/2012 7:26 PM

Bob@Az, we must have been watching different videos. What exactly would you have done to take this guy into custody?

As to their justification for attempting to arrest him in the first place, they received a complaint that he was sleeping in the womens section of the facility. If he did have permission to be at the facility it probably wasn't permission to sleep in the female section. Someone else is present in the beginning of the vid. Maybe someone in charge of the facility? You claim no attempt was made to verify his story. Where are you getting that info? Looks to me like they may have had conformation. Regardless, once the magic words "You are under arrest" are spoken, you comply, even if you think the officers are wrong. Otherwise, bad things happen.

Scoul @ 10/16/2012 3:23 AM

Maybe if the first two officers ate like the rest of the department the fight would have ended sooner. The third officer gained control, finally. The first two look like they were trying to beat him to the point where he'd put the cuffs on himself. It may have all been legal, but the object is custody. Maybe some pain compliance training? The both officers had a lot of opportunities.

Terry F. Zech @ 10/16/2012 3:33 AM

Skinny, wiry and swinging the arms. They did everything the right way that I can see. It only took four officers to get this gentlemen into custody.

Nichole @ 10/16/2012 4:58 AM

I agree. While it looked bad at first, that guy wasn't giving up. Look how long it took for them to get him under control. It wasn't until another officer came in and manhandled him onto the ground that they could finally subdue him. And there was no way that pudgy female officer was going to help the other officer get him to the ground.

The guy resisted. And you JUST. DON'T. DO. THAT. When you're told to put your hands behind your back, you do it. If you don't, don't expect to be treated nicely.

On a side note, she looked ridiculous dancing around with her baton and holy hell did they call in the cavalry.

S.S @ 10/16/2012 9:16 AM

Bob @AZ clearly you aren't or never were in law enforcement. If you were hopefully you aren't anymore. But I have no idea what you were watching. Your remarks and opinion are clearly WRONG. Officers did what they had to do. It looks like they followed procedures. Nothing that I saw was over the top or crossing the line. We weren't in their shoes, and they did what they had to, and more importantly they got to go home. Nice response on the backup as well. Its good to see that these officers got the back up they deserved. GOOD JOB ALL THE WAY AROUND.

Mark S. Potratz @ 10/16/2012 11:45 AM

The language of Graham v. Conner is very clear: the level of force permissible by an LEO making an arrest is defined by its reasonableness, framed in the perceptions, knowledge of circumstance, and skills of the officers involved at the time of the event. After-the-fact analysis has no bearing on that standard.
I have been a career LEO since 1979, a police officer and now chief, and I also happen to oversee an LE Academy. There is nothing in this video that suggests anything overtly unreasonable about the officers actions. The suspect takes an aggressive stance as the officers close to arrest, and clearly square off on the male officer as he closes to attempt the arrest. Bob@AZ, if you are or ever were a police officer, I am disappointed in your apparent lack of practical knowledge in use of force guidelines. If you were not a PO or haven't kept up, then yours is a lay person's opinion lacking expertise or meaningful value. If you are or once were a PO, please get some updated training.
In my book, I see 2 officers attempting to overcome an actively resistive and fighting subject, absent any overt indication that their actions were unreasonable. Even for PO's, the CJ system provides the presumption of innocence.

Joonie @ 10/16/2012 10:21 PM

Resist=max. effort to make you comply. Back in the days, cops use to go up slow and try to wrestle ppl, then a skinny crack head like this guy gouges your eye out or racks your testicles...why do cops have to risk that? Why would anyone? For those that think this is harsh, please come try to arrest me and I'll show you many ways I can cripple you w/ one move, eyeballs, balls, bite, head butt, etc. all of these moves can damage an officer very very seriously, sometimes permanently.

karl @ 10/17/2012 2:32 PM

The suspect continued to fighting with the officers and refused to submit to arrest. The officers had no choice but to attempt to hand cuff this combative suspect in such a small area.

Yardcop @ 10/19/2012 9:55 AM

Too many people in the public have never been or engaged in a physical altercation so they think any sort of violence used by a cop arresting anyone or defending themselves is over the top, they would rather have the cop injured or killed and then bitch about lack of training. Some how they think the 1% of the criminal or crazy world are going to abide to a lawful command to be cuffed?! Try taking an inmate into custody, always a fight.

Lheris @ 11/2/2012 1:33 PM

Police agents are not Elected Officials nor Law Enforcers they are policy enforcers or agents of a private corporation and most of them don't even know that. They don't know the differences between Law, Codes, Statutes, Rules, Regulations and Ordinances.

Aikido John @ 12/5/2012 10:54 AM

I'm thinking someone should have paid more attention during defensive tacticts training...

dave roman @ 3/20/2013 9:41 AM

we cant rely on females whe we need backup.they're too weak.

dave roman @ 3/20/2013 9:41 AM

we cant rely on females whe we need backup.they're too weak.

Vin @ 8/9/2013 7:21 PM

What else do you expect?? Put your hands behind your back and stop resisting!

Stupid moron, I'd kick your ass too.

JASON @ 8/1/2014 7:33 PM

typical of the New York Pig Department

Javier @ 9/28/2014 4:37 AM

excelente intervencion,ojala en España funcionara igual.

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