NYC Empire State Building Shooting

Jason Barnes @ 8/28/2012 9:02 AM

1. Terrible tactics by the two officers. Did you notice that one got right in front of the other, risking "friendly fire?"

2. Terrible marksmanship. All the 3rd parties were hit by fragments and ricochets from the officers' weapons.

Bruce bryant @ 8/28/2012 9:17 AM

Even though the officers had been told they were engaging an armed suspect who had just shot someone they seemed surprised when he pointed his pistol at them. With all the moving around the officers did they were lucky there wasn't a Blue on Blue incident.

M/Sgt. Ret'd Kim Kenney @ 8/28/2012 3:37 PM

Media is media, they sell news, the worst the police the better for them. For the officer that brought him congrads! Job well done, now go home and love your family and do your best to forget it. Remember you are in the business of service and protect. Just the opion of one old ranger, killing isn't fun. M/Sgt. Kenney ret'd.

Hunter2020 @ 9/12/2012 6:29 PM

You guys did what had to be done! Its unfortunate but there will sometimes be "collateral" damage. Do not let the arm chair quarterbacks get under your skin. Just remember... It could have been worse.

Captain John @ 1/22/2013 4:48 PM

Yeah. It was pretty bad. Not a lot of fire discipline and bad targeting discipline. One understands the pressure of close quarters action, but this definitely is a situation where remedial training is required. I am using this as a "not how to respond" video for my students. Close quarters quals need to happen monthly or no later than six weeks. No idea how often NYPD gets to a firing range.

Aaron @ 1/22/2013 8:04 PM

And not a one of you Monday morning quarterbacks would have done any better. I think they did an outstanding job given the situation.

Aaron @ 1/22/2013 8:07 PM

Really CPT. John. #1 you have to either be a teacher at a college which would explain your perfect thinking, or #2 you are a Captain and clueless as most Captains are. Stay behind your desk in your sterile environment buddy.

gary @ 1/22/2013 8:59 PM

If the injured were hit by "fragments and ricochets" and the bad guy got hit with direct fire, then their 'targeting' must have been pretty good. I wonder what the comments would have been had the officers held fire and additional innocents were killed by direct, aimed fire?
Captain John- sometimes perception and reality are not the same. The officers involved were dealing with reality.

Juan 10-13 @ 1/23/2013 4:39 AM

As a former NYPD Firearms Intructor,every MOS was allocated with a box of rounds per month @ One Police Plaza and any additional rounds you brought along. An annual outdoor re-qualification which included CLOSE QUARTERS COMBAT!!!!!! I survived a fire fight and had close family members on the JOB who also survived shootings! The best advise I can give to my Brothers in Blue is to continually practice your shooting skills. Take advantage of the monthly allocation and some....practice,practice,practice! Please....do it for YOUR family!

Lt. Sal Abruscato @ 1/23/2013 6:39 AM

Until you are in a real fight for your life, reserve your comments. I watched this over and over and they reacted accordingly in my opinion. They located the subject, ran without weapons out, drew down right away and hit the target. Citizens were not hit with direct fire. This was not a bonehead mistake out in the field. This was a quick response that played out well. God bless you guys. Stay safe guys.

Bob@Az. @ 1/24/2013 8:29 AM

Lt.Abruscato: Well said. Nice to read an intellegent post by one who has "been there and done that". Blues, stay safe.