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NYPD Checking Ammo After Knife-Wielding Suspect's Jacket Stopped Four Bullets

May 20, 2016  | 

Four of the shots that NYPD officers fired at a knife-wielding suspect in Midtown failed to penetrate his jacket — which was not bulletproof — and the NYPD will now check the ammo for performance issues.

“The bullets we have may be defective and that’s very disturbing,” one source told the New York Post. “When we fire our weapons, we want to make damn sure that our bullets hit our target — neutralizing our target.”

A sergeant and an officer fired a total of nine rounds at 46-year-old Garry Conrad on Wednesday, with one of the shots killing the depressed Broadway stagehand who refused to drop the blade at West 49th Street and Eighth Avenue.

Four of the bullets got lodged in Conrad’s Carhartt jacket, sources said, adding that he was not wearing a bulletproof vest.


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Sheriffs Explorer Sgt. @ 5/20/2016 4:50 PM

Sounds like they got some bad ammo. I hope not much is defective.

kevcopAz @ 5/21/2016 9:01 AM

Either .9mm (poor PD round) or that range on caliber. OR poor ammo, cheaply made. FBI says they have a better .9mm now, I hesitate to use since I investigated numerous OIS where rounds bounced off of windshields,stopped by thin metal etc. Im good with the old faithful .45 cal. Less rounds,m but much better and consistent impact. Providing the round is made right.

Gary Wilson @ 5/21/2016 3:41 PM

Whatever the reason, 4 of 'em didn't take the starch out of him.
That's why you don't fire 2 and see if it worked... shoot till neutralized... although there is at least one agency getting away from that.

132&Bush @ 5/21/2016 7:16 PM

And Carhartt needs to come out with a law enforcement line.

Mike Myers @ 5/21/2016 11:23 PM

NYPD should immediately make public the manufacturer, bullet weight, lot number etc, so other police departments and the general public can take a close look at their own ammo.

OK then @ 5/22/2016 8:36 AM

We use speer gold dot 9mm hollows. Usually very reliable. Don't have a box handy so I don't have the weight.

db in AZ @ 5/23/2016 6:10 PM

I don't disagree with any other posted comments so far, however there are missing facts to this story where one cannot come to any resolve. 1) Was the powder charge for the rounds too light? 2) What caliber was used/issued for NYPD? 3) The bullet ( not cartridge ) type used?...I am guessing FMJ as standard. I adopted the 10mm over 20 years ago and never looked back, other than 44 mag. I understand over penetration and the legalities involved with collateral damage however there are new rounds (ARX by Ruger) which are composite bullets that are designed for this exact instance of initial penetration and then dumping all kinetic energy internally. It's time to protect yourself with the highest quality ammo when you and your partners life is on the line. P.S. I do not endorse nor work for Ruger, as I only mentioned as an example of many now on the open market.

Chief800 @ 5/24/2016 5:15 AM

Wish they would give a more detailed report. My guess would be the Carhart was a ripstop type material and the round hit where possibly two layers intersect like a pocket flap. That could be up to four layers of material in one spot, effectively making a poormans ballistic stopper. Also if the area hit was loose ,say the midsection, that would be a spongy backstop behind the material also slowing the bullet.

Ordinary Joe @ 5/25/2016 6:00 AM

When the FBI did the initial testing and review of ammunition, the 9mm was found to be lacking. I recall reading one particular case study where a suspect was shot something on the order of 40 times and continued to fight. Another case study showed controlled expansion rounds as they were called would plug as they passed through denim jackets, which were the rage back in the 70/80's. That would negate their expansion as they passed into the body.

Carhartt jackets are usually made of very heavy canvas. It shocks me they did not penetrate beyond the jacket. Maybe they should issue those instead of armor? Just kidding. I wish someone from the NYPD would speak up. I bet those rounds are special made for their use so they do not present an overpenetration issue.

ARGuy @ 5/26/2016 2:04 PM

This story just doesn't seem possible. On another site a guy tried shooting a carhart and it didn't stop any bullets.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/05/robert-farago/ttag-exclusive-shootingthebull410-test-carhartt-jacket-gold-dot-124p-9mm-ammo-re-nypd-claim-stopped-bullets/

Mongoose @ 5/27/2016 9:26 AM

The price for ammunition is costly and police officers are paying the price. We only have enough ammo to qualify quarterly and sometimes need to use the same duty ammunition that is approximately a year old. From an Officers point of view, we get a pop sound out of our weapons while the suspects get a bang for their buck.

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