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IACP 2013: Chiefs Want Expanded Background Checks

October 22, 2013  | 

Photo by Paul Clinton.
Photo by Paul Clinton.
A coalition of police chiefs stepped up their advocacy for extending firearm background checks to private sales, gun shows and online sales, saying the measure is needed to stave off mass shooting attacks.

A group calling itself the National Law Enforcement Partnership to Prevent Gun Violence called for the measure at the IACP Conference in Philadelphia.

"We are here because gun violence is destroying our communities, especially here in Philadelphia," said Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey at a Tuesday press conference.

Police leaders from Baltimore County, Pittsburgh, and Wellesley, Mass., urged Congress to adopt a federal law requiring universal checks for all gun sales. In April, the US. Senate rejected the Manchin-Toomey amendment that would have expanded background checks.

On Wednesday, Baltimore County Police Chief Jim Johnson said the measure would reduce mass attacks and assualts on officers by prohibited purchasers such as felons via straw purchases and the mentaly ill. Chief Johnson cited the fatal shooting of Berks County (Pa.) Sheriff's Deputy Kyle Pagerly in 2011 by a suspect who had acquired a gun via a straw purchase.

"We can do so much mre to prevent these tragedies," Chief Johnson said.

The partnership includes representatives from the International Association of Chiefs of Police, Major Cities Chiefs Association, the Police Executive Research Forum, and the Police Foundation.

Ramsey and others said 60 percent of all firearm purchases in the country have background checks done.

Comments (31)

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I. P. Daly @ 10/22/2013 2:33 PM

Bunch of Tools that are appointed by gun grabbers. These guys don't support the position of the rank and file.

chuck @ 10/22/2013 2:34 PM

Enforce the laws that we have now. Line 1 on ATF form asks if you are the one purchasing it for yourself. If you lie you've already commited a felony. So how is this supposed to stop people from aquiring weapons, IT AINT. Bring back ol sparky, people will think twice about murdering other people.

El Moose @ 10/22/2013 2:38 PM

Extended background checks is not going to "fix" the problem. They can't enforce the laws that are on the books now. And extensive background checks is the majic bullet to "fix" the problem?? If you think we have major killings now, wait and see what happens if BHO and comapny get done with their itinerary to do what Australia did. See what their stats are on violent crimes since all of the law abiding people gave up thi=eir guns!!

DPB @ 10/22/2013 2:59 PM

It's all about people control, not guns! You cannot control/enslave the masses unless you disarm them! Ask the Jews in Nazi Germany, the Cambodians at the hands of the khmer rouge, the Russians during the Communist Bolshevik revolution, 60-70 million Chinese during Mao's reign, North Korea, and more in this century and thoughout history!
These mouth pieces do not have the interest of the law abiding at heart! If they did they would be demanding enforcement of current laws, quick and fair trials, swift justice, and the death penality more often for those killers running amok among us!

E. L. Smith @ 10/22/2013 3:02 PM

Online sales? Umm, these already transfer through a licensed dealer which has the check done. As for Johnson, when was the last time a straw purchaser was prosecuted in Maryland let alone Baltimore County? He's trying for elected office when he retires.

ken @ 10/22/2013 3:22 PM

My my ... what a stunning about-face on their position ... that bastion of Second Amendment loving patriots has always been so in the corner of the responsible gun owner that I'm stunned they are reversing their pro-gun stance and finally going after those rascally firearms owners. (drip, drip, drip)

DCW @ 10/22/2013 3:35 PM

If you are so freaking worried about Philadelphia, fix you own freaking city, let me worry about mine. stay the [email protected]* out of my business. There are multiple chiefs of police in each state, let those chiefs deal with (except here is California where the majority are liberal freaking morons anyway) their own state. A$$ Ha+s

PilotJY @ 10/22/2013 4:31 PM

Okay, now, while I am all for trying to lower our active shooter ratios in this country, my question is this. What else are they trying to get a hold of in a background check that the ATF or FBI do not already know about an individual? They cannot get medical records because of HIPAA laws. So if someone was treated for depression just by a Medical Doctor, they will not be able to retrieve that info. So why expand an already thorough background check?

DEADMAN @ 10/22/2013 4:55 PM

They are planning to change the procedure so just your doctor has to say you are mental ,suffer from PTSD and take away all guns from VETERANS,they are sending out letters to veterans now.
The IACP is just a political organization for chiefs who might have been good cops in the past to change into political pegboys who serve at the mayors pleasure and fear losing their jobs..
When did this magazine and forum turn into a soapbox for IACP,don't they have a magazine of their own controlled by bobit?
There are too many chiefs out there that have forgot too too much about police work and have just subscribed to a fat retirement check,,an 8 - 4 job with big benefits and assisting city governments with screwing with the patrol units and the civilians and taxing the crap out of everybody.

Leonard Mather @ 10/22/2013 4:55 PM

All of the preceding postings are right on target! It looks like the IACP succumbed to politically correct pressure caused by neurolinguistic programming of language regarding the word "control." Current POC wants us to believe that "gun control" and its laws imply that guns can be "controlled." NOT! Anyone bent on misuse of a firearm can and will get one. Recently a 7th grader (age 13) just shot the math teacher, several others and then killed himself. The only good that came out of that episode was that he killed himself. For that he should get honorable mention in the Darwin Awards, since he successfully removed himself from the gene pool disallowing future propagation of his nit-wittery.

NJ Motorcop @ 10/22/2013 6:06 PM

An accurate title would have been "Incompetent socialist political hacks seek to further undermine Constitution".
PoliceMag should be doing better than the typical left wing media outlets. We expect better from our own, who should know better.

UncleMike @ 10/22/2013 6:14 PM

It's no surprise that these politically appointed "Desk Drivers" would back such nonsense. They have to, in order to keep their cushy, safe, high paying, indoor year round political position, garnered from Liberal Mayors who owe their office to the corrupt Party Machines in their respective big city sewers.
After all look how well the uber strict anti Second Amendment laws are working in placed like Chicago. :D

TheRookie @ 10/22/2013 7:04 PM

The majority of these Chiefs are appointed to their political position. Their lap dog types of L.E. They are a mouth piece for the Mayor Bloomberg's of this country. Funny how a majority of Sheriffs don't agree with them. Small example: 54 in Colorado, Lee Baca-LA, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego, and on-n-on-n-on I could go. What a sell out to L.E

Troop @ 10/22/2013 11:46 PM

IACP do not speak for the 99% of cops in the field. These Chiefs are politically correct politicians.

Lt Dan @ 10/23/2013 6:07 AM

If the photo represents Ramsey's dress at the event it is NICE to see he isn't wearing the uniform while disregarding the second amendment. Chief, please prosecute CONVICTED FELONS who are in possession of firearms vigorously then get back to me. Get the firearms out of public housing, then get back to me. Reward the lawful who use firearms to protect themselves against violence, then get back to me. Continue your efforts to disarm the lawful, I will continue to be in touch with you.

Richard Hightower @ 10/23/2013 6:12 AM

This organization is composed of either fools or liars. There is no "hole" in the background checks on firearms purchases. Dealers / vendors at gunshows are not execpt and "online" purchases require transfer through licensed dealers.

These "LEO's" are being deliberatly misleading -- in LEO circles this equates to LYING.

Jeff @ 10/23/2013 7:44 AM

This is why I refuse to join the IACP. They don't represent the opinion of all chief's, there are a lot of us who still remember that we work for the people not the politicians. Gun control laws only affect the law abiding citizen, crooks are going to ignore them anyway.

captjsharp @ 10/23/2013 8:47 AM

I don’t understand the skeptism expressed in the other comments on this story. This sort of federal "feel good" legislation is badly needed. Clearly, firearm related crimes can be stopped by preventing people suffering from mental illness from purchasing or possessing firearms, by expanding the presently regulated weapon transfer transactions to include gun show and private sale transfers and gifts/donations of firearms, and by severely punishing anyone who lies on a firearms transfer form. Once we all then feel safe, we, as LEOs, will no longer have to worry about making a traffic stop and having a misguided, downtrodden person, victimized by an uncaring society, denied an equal share of wealth and opportunity and forced to turn to a life of crime, pop us a new a*%hole in our forehead. The proposed changes to firearm ownership and transfer laws will undoubtedly keep weapons out of the hands of sanity challenged students/disgruntled employees/ex-spouses/etc., who might otherwise “cry out for help” by inflicting lethal violence on their actual or perceived tormentors and innocent bystanders, and active shooter incidents will become a thing of the past. And since only a person deprived of the ability to discern right from wrong would shoot at a police officer, we'll be able to stop wearing these heavy, hot, uncomfortable vests. I’m all in!

Chuck @ 10/23/2013 9:02 AM

Are there any cops in the picture, because what I see are a bunch of old, fat, clueless suits. None seem to be the type to "lead by example".

Tim Dolan @ 10/23/2013 9:10 AM

Protect and Serve. I read some of these blog comments, and I wonder who these supposed members are of my profession are that don't understand the need for responsible gun ownership in our country and that 85% of our nation support background checks on all sales. Dare to be a leader!

Ordinary Joe @ 10/23/2013 11:12 AM

IACP are progressives planning to stay in charge. They do not want to lose their position, authority, or salary. I WILL NOT join the IACP.

How many background checks have prevented violence? They are loath to give you the stats because they are so minimal as to not be statistically significant.

Unfortunately, the general population thinks they are heroes. We have came a long way the the National Firearms Act of 1934. Too bad we cannot go back to pre NFA rules.

Ordinary Joe @ 10/23/2013 11:14 AM

@ Tim Dolan. I am leading. Leading back to a country that is protected from governmental abuse and the usurpation of god given rights. Where are you leading us?

Robin Carlton @ 10/23/2013 11:17 AM

So all of the Chiefs are getting together and calling for "more" background checks so that we can prevent mass shootings? Are you kidding? How many of those involved in a mass shootings obtained their weapons at a gun show, or at a gun dealership? We can do like Chicago and outlaw guns and then there won't be any shootings, right? What are you going to demand on an expanded background check that you don't already have? How many of you have actually worked on the streets in the last 30 years? Typical Obama BS

tedb @ 10/23/2013 3:48 PM

And this measure would prevent straw purchases or the most recent incidents of gun violence HOW...???

Chris @ 10/23/2013 5:52 PM

No offense, but police chiefs are appointed and only express the views of those appointing them. They only to those appointing them. Sheriffs answer directly to "We, the people". It is not surprising that sheriffs and state sheriffs' associations have taken such a strong stand for our 2nd amendment.

Long live the duly elected office of sheriff!

Lori O'Neill @ 10/24/2013 10:03 AM

I commend the IACP and the other law enforcement groups for their call for universal background checks. As a legal gun owner, background checks pose no threat to my ability to buy guns. It would make it harder for felons to get guns and use them against other Americans and our police. There is nothing about universal background checks that violates the 2nd amendment as they would not prohibit qualified buyers from getting guns. The Brady background check law has stopped 2 million attempted illegal purchases since its inception. Background checks work to make it harder for prohibited people to get guns.

tedb @ 10/24/2013 3:14 PM

Lori O'Neill, I repeat my previous question above..."And this measure would prevent straw purchases or the most recent incidents of gun violence HOW...???"

tedb @ 10/24/2013 3:15 PM

Lori O'Neill, I repeat my previous question above: "And this measure would prevent straw purchases or the most recent incidents of gun violence HOW...???"

House @ 10/26/2013 2:25 PM

@Tim Dolan
well Tim you kinda missed the mark on the whole "protect and serve thing" we also have a duty to (us sworn people anyway) to protect the constitution. not to mention the duty to protect ourselves. "backround" checks you mention are impossible to implement and would criminalize half the country. you musta forgot there is already backround checks on most legal gun transactions. new laws would require everyone to do a backround check who wanted to give their kids a hunting rifle for Christmas. are you gonna do that? no I didn't think so...then you would be a felon under the new laws these imbecile chiefs support get you head outta your a$$ new gun laws wont protect anyone except politicians

House @ 10/26/2013 2:37 PM

@Lori O'neill
you missed the concept of having too many laws on the books and not enforcing them huh? the crap their talking about would make illegal for anyone who didn't backround check their personal private sales to be in violation of the law. yes that would hamper your ability to buy guns dear. remember that .38 you got from an old partner for $200 as a back up gun? yes that would be illegal. I call BS. these new laws wont do anything to protect anyone. 2 million illegal weapon transactions eh? wow how many did the feds prosecute? im bettin almost none. see we already have laws. if we enforced them, that would make a difference. all this talk now is much to do about nothing by our DC politicians who cant even budget the country properly. and your gonna trust them to do right by us with the 2nd amendment?

Richard Hightower @ 11/26/2013 6:32 AM

The idea of political appointees actively (or even passively) promoting "government controlled" access to something that is immunized from their control / oversight in one of our foundational documents and which was considered by our Founding Fathers to be CRITICAL to the preservation of Liberty -- is ABHORANT!

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