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FBI Snubs ATF In Navy Yard Investigation

September 23, 2013  | 

The FBI took it upon itself to track the weapons involved in the Washington Navy Yard shooting, leaving out of the loop the federal law enforcement agency in charge of firearm enforcement.

FBI agents headed to the northern Virginia gun shop where Aaron Alexis purchased a Remington 870 Express shotgun, rather than relying on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). The tactic surprised Mike Bouchard, a former ATF assistant director.

"I have never seen an instance where ATF had not been relied upon to trace the gun," Bouchard told CBS News.

By 6 p.m. on Sept. 16, the FBI released information about the shotgun to the media. At the same time, an ATF spokeswoman said the agency's gun trace had not been completed.

Comments (21)

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BadKarma @ 9/23/2013 5:44 PM

That's awesome. Good job guys.

Leonard Mather @ 9/23/2013 5:51 PM

The FBI ignored ATF because they realized that Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be convenience stores and NOT a government agency.

Chief P @ 9/23/2013 6:01 PM

At this point could anyone seriously think the ATF could be relied on to track weapons and make the right decisions? I am glad the FBI took it upon themselves to take care of this matter. The fact that the FBI is DONE and the ATF has still not completed that part of their investigation is enough said.

Boston @ 9/23/2013 6:15 PM

And the public wonders why the ATF even exists today. They have screwed up more free lunches. They are the Three Stooges of Law Enforcement.

Tschako @ 9/23/2013 6:45 PM

What did they expect after doing such a good tracing job on Fast & Furious?

Troop @ 9/23/2013 6:51 PM

Its because the ATF will make it a political. As well as the ATF has no credibility.

UncleMike @ 9/23/2013 7:14 PM

At least the FBI has it's credibility left. I'm afraid if the BATFE had done the check it would have been an AR 15. Whether it was an AR 15 or not..

Tschako @ 9/23/2013 9:28 PM

Don't forget, it WAS an AR-15 according to the media for the first, screaming 24 hours.

Lt Dan @ 9/24/2013 5:23 AM

More for the legacy of "no cooperation" between the FBI and ATF. ATF where I am is a pretty good groups of feds. Perhaps the gun shop that sold the gun had an "Oh SH*T" moment and called the FBI direct. Middle man eliminated. Lets see, call from the gun shop. They tell the FBI "it was a new shotgun". FBI goes and gets the paperwork. Department of redundancy department eliminated. Nothing to see here, move along folks.

James @ 9/24/2013 5:27 AM

Ronald Reagan wanted to get rid of the ATF and a few days before congress was to vote to defund it they gave us operation showtime or WACO as we call it and they never got disbaned, and the FBI had to clean up that disaster also. The ATF is like a puppy that;'s not potty trained, all they do is create stinking messes and other have to clean up after the. It is time to put that agency out of the Taxpayers misery. Then make the FBI NON Political and maybe things will get better.

Ordinary Joe @ 9/24/2013 5:56 AM

@LtDan I have worked with ATF on several occasions. I was not impressed. From working in the field with an agent wearing cowboy boots and hat and conducting what I would call an inappropriate interrogation to the HQ level and trying to get cooperation in obtaining a few weapons for a display. Unless things have changed, I think Reagan was right to be rid of the organization.

Czar James @ 9/24/2013 6:01 AM

I've worked very closely with ATFE and without exception I have found them to be professional, professional and dedicated to removing weapons from the hands of bad guys. You political shitties need to keep your NRA backed politics out of enforcement. By the way, for all of you who idolize President Reagan, remember he and his should've gone the way of Nixon. It's those political hacks who have hamstrung the ATFE from the beginning. If you want to get a bad guy off of the streets, the ATFE is the way to do it. Not your ever beloved, self-important "I".

Chuck @ 9/24/2013 6:44 AM

WOW... they traced the gun a whole month before the shootings! (Look at the date in the article). Good job Editors.

Chief B @ 9/24/2013 6:49 AM

Hey, Czar James, well said. That is the best democrat talking points I've read in quite a while. You forgot to mention in your next to last sentence, that ATFE is still trying to get the bad guys of the streets from F&F by picking up the 1400+ outstanding guns they sold to the Mexican cartels as they come back over the border.

Eddie Velez @ 9/24/2013 6:50 AM

This only confirms the lack of cooperation between Law Enforcement Agencies
Each each agency believes that they are better and feels that they don't want to give up jurisdiction.
Their is enough work out there for all of us
Let's think of the citizens and victims and stop this territorial war between ourselves

Mike Mintzer @ 9/24/2013 7:27 AM

Actually, Tschoko had it wrong. It was originally reported by the media (NBC, I think it was) who identified the weapon used to be an AR-14 -- whatever that is. Never trust ANYTHING reported in the media to be correct.

Dennis Beaty @ 9/24/2013 7:30 AM

Great job to the FBI. This just goes to show how out of control that the Federal Government has become! We have way to many "Law enforcement" branches, there should only be ONE federal agency with law enforcement powers! All of the others should be combined and consolidated into the FBI. ex: Forest Service Law enforcement branch, BLM law enforcement branch, U.S. Marshall's Office, IRS, Wildlife ATF ect. Way to much duplication here.

P. Burnett @ 9/24/2013 7:51 AM

Yes, great job to the FBI. They did their job, they didn't save a falling baby from a 5 story building. They stepped over the ATF rather than rely on that arm of enforcement. Could have been any number of reasons why. But there are a lot of people here who are perfect in every thing they do, that are quick to throw an entire agency and all it's employees to the wolves. Awesome society we have nowadays. Guess what, the same type of politicians who are responsible for ATF mismanagement are running the FBI, they just haven't had their "bad case" or "sting operation gone wrong". Get over yourselves already. No politics involved, I'm a Republican; just not so quick to pass judgement by throwing another hard working police officer under the bus because the alphabet acronym of his or her agency is different than another. Time to get back together, not further apart!

Tooth breaker @ 9/24/2013 4:11 PM

Hey James get your head outta your ass, waco happened during Clinton's term. And the FBI drops the ball all the time. Anybody remember 9/11? These dicks don't stop or save shit. They setup fake terror attacks then call the media in to show their big save. The FBI is as crooked as the ATF. You notice how everyone is a terrorist now, since the patriot act these scrubs have taken your rights and you argue over who is more incompetent. These are the dicks that are suppose to protect us. No thanks, I'll protect myself. Good luck America in your police state. The NSA is watching everything and the FBI still can't stop 2 clowns in Boston from blowing up a bunch of people. And they say they need more funding and more power to watch citizens. This is comical watching the parade of idiocy come out and talk about this shooting. But yet a background check would save us all. Oh yeah the shooter passed one a few weeks ago, so much for that idea. Let's just ban guns, oh yea they did that in DC and Chicago, and crime and gun murders are the highest in the nation. Now what great idea will these clowns come up with?

Sgt.K @ 9/24/2013 9:05 PM

wow tooth breaker, u sound like a non Leo, I'll save myself while hiding in a barrel under 10 feet of dirt type of guy..someone has a bad expierience with a fellow LEO and wham !! they are no good A-holes,,,wow like u guys are perfect .I cannot believe u want to throw the BATF under the bus over nothing..what the hell did they do wrong ??? The FBI did there thing so close the damn door already !I worked with Both,,I had good and I had bad with BOTH!,and I sure as hell am not going to moan and complain about shutting them down...the job got done. I went home safe ,,,,FINISHED !!!

Tooth breaker @ 9/25/2013 3:43 PM

Sgt. K throw the ATF under the bus for nothing you say? You obviously have absolutely no clue what you are even talking about. Just because nobody trusts law enforcement anymore is not from a bad experience. It's from all the scandals and bullshit lies and secret interpretations of secret laws in secret courts. And how cops are more crooked then the average conceal carry permit holder. Other then that you dirtbags are ok. When someone shoots you that is. You idiots need a damn swat team to arrest a shoplifter or save grannies cat outta the tree. Then you idiots shoot the cat for no license probably. You dirtball a have given yourselves bad names. Don't blame someone else just look at the police scandal and arrest records.

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