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Biden, Holder Meet with Officers On Gun Violence

December 20, 2012  | 

Photo via European Parliment/Flickr.
Photo via European Parliment/Flickr.

Vice President Joe Biden and Attorney General Eric Holder met with law enforcement leaders Thursday to begin discussions about reducing gun violence.

The meeting, which included other Obama administration officials, will develop what President Obama called "real reforms right now." Obama has said one of the reforms would include a proposal to reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban that expired in 2004.

Obama told the task force to respond with proposals by mid-January. He also highlighted suggestions to better restrict gun sales to criminals and those with mental-health issues and improve access to mental health care, reports CNN.

Holder will travel to Connecticut to meet with law enforcement officials investigating the Sandy Hook school shooting.

Tags: Eric Holder, Barack Obama, Gun Control Advocacy


Comments (34)

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AJ @ 12/20/2012 2:28 PM

Aside from the obvious errors in selecting the participants in the process is the selection of "law enforcement leaders". A good mix of solid street cops from across the country would likely produce far superior and realistic steps towards a solution...

Mearle @ 12/20/2012 2:59 PM

I believe that including LEOs at or below the rank of Sgt probably would produce a much different response and more practical ideas than asking those who have not "worked the streets" in a long time, if ever. Fewer PC considerations.

JR Sanders @ 12/20/2012 2:59 PM

Vast difference between meeting with "officers" and meeting with "law enforcement leaders" (aka political appointees and elected officials). Working coppers would likely offer very dirrerent viewpoints than the brass; exactly why politicians and the press always seek out the latter and ignore the former.

JR Sanders @ 12/20/2012 3:01 PM

Make that "different".

LEONARD MCCARTHY @ 12/20/2012 3:02 PM

I understand the "emotional reaction" the public sees as the problem being "assault type" weapons, but those weapons are not the real problem. As the saying goes, "Guns don't kill people, People kill people".

Banning the owning of these type of weapons is like saying, "Let's ban all motor vehicles, because they are also used to kill people!" It's not the vehicle that did the killing, it was the person operating it.

As a retired cop after 33 years, I have come to the conclusion that EVERYONE who can pass a background check and qualifies with a weapon should be armed. A ban, even for just the "ASSAULT TYPE" weapons, especially with the current Federal Administration will only result in more restrictions.

My last final comment, "Make it so a citizen cannot have a firearm and then only the bad guys will!!"

Federali @ 12/20/2012 3:04 PM

So they have the Top Gun Dealer of actual guns used in crimes meeting with the craziest politician......... we're all screwed!

Rob Coon @ 12/20/2012 3:13 PM

I think Mr. Holder should be focusing on Fast and Furious instead of taking our guns. Lord knows he gave a bunch of real assult weapons to the cartels.

Steve @ 12/20/2012 3:17 PM

I hope that LEO leaders do not include the Police Chiefs association since they are all political leaders. They need to talk to those who work the streets. Those talks should not be limited to the big cities but a real cross section of the entire country. I would think opinions are diffirent in say the North East as opposed to the the South eastern states. Most street cops don't have a problem with civilian ownership as they obey the laws.

Rick @ 12/20/2012 3:19 PM

Time to pass National Reciprocity so citizens can use their CCW across state lines as the Constitution stipulates. That will produce a decrease in crime, especially after a few thugs get shot by armed citizens. That's a lot better than Boxer's idea of posting national guard soldiers at schools; especially in light that she and Feinstein have CCW permits.

Robert PO retired @ 12/20/2012 4:08 PM

First the idea of having the person Chiefly responsible for flooding Mexico with illegal "assault weapons" is insulting. That aside if a person is bent on committing the ultimate crime do you really think he/she will care about violating a lesser weapons law? And lastly I will share this in 1990 I had occasion to respond to the HappyLand social club in the Bronx NY, where a single male used a gallon of gas and a match to murder 87 prople! If guns are outlawed outlaws will find other weapons some work as well or better!

R. K. Burnett @ 12/20/2012 4:19 PM

I must concur with the others regarding the grass-roots level of input that is usually missing from the process. Equally important, is the matter of every other factor in what it takes to develop such tragedies as those we have seen so much of lately, and how it all must be taken into consideration during the conversation, and not letting all this be shoved onto the back burners ever again.

Lt Dan @ 12/20/2012 4:28 PM

Eric Holder should concentrate on getting the weapons from the Mexican drug cartels that he and his minions allowed to be delivered to criminals. Yeah, he's real concerned about gun violence! But you knew this was coming and before all the victims have been buried.

Despicable but we've come to expect nothing less from this mob.

Snorkel @ 12/20/2012 4:50 PM

I'd suggest gun control and gun laws will not curb gun violence. A better solution would be to have more honest & upright citizens accept the responsibility to carry a concealed gun.

Dwayne Juedes @ 12/20/2012 4:51 PM

Obama was crying out of one side of his face and laughing out of the other. The murder's of these innocent children will be used by Obama and Holder as the second installment of Fast And Furious as a way to disarm honest law abiding citizens.

Big B @ 12/20/2012 5:11 PM

The president and his appointees are not going to choose line level cops to consult with. He is going to seek out those political figures that share in his goals and those that owe him something. THat way he can get the desired responses and move toward his gun control goals.

RICHARD ISAACS @ 12/20/2012 5:23 PM

I MAY BE WRONG BUT WASN'T IT HOLDEN THAT SUPPLIED ASSAULT RIFLES TO MEXICO S WORST DRUG LORDS?

Jim Davenport @ 12/20/2012 5:58 PM

I had only read the article and Halleleujah, you guys/gals read my mind! Use street cops NOT L.E.O. "leaders." They haven't seen the street in ages and already being politically motivated, just to achieve their rank, will tell Biden and Holder anything! We all know where this is heading, Obama has an agenda and Biden will do anything to make it happen.
The true nightmare is the reality that tens of thousands of people with a variety of mental illnesses have been unleashed on society, not of their own choosing, turn to crime, overrun shelters and mental committments at hospitals, distress families, etc. Not to mention the mind-numbing, very graphic video games that make a "kill" look like nothing, because they turn on the game again and the same badguy is back. Shoot people in real life and they don't come back. There are so many issues associated with this and this is the biggest "knee-jerk" reaction perhaps in my lifetime!
As a former Marine, career police officer and RESPONSIBLE gun owner I find their reaction ridiculous. Why does Biden think they can fix this when the President can't keep us away from a fiscal cliff, after months of supposedly working on that?! Remember "Fast and Furious"
and the victims in CT.

1098 JJ @ 12/20/2012 6:14 PM

I have to agree with Jim Davenport in part, while fully in agreement that guns don't kill, people do...it concerns me a bit that so many assault type weapons are on the market, that now our street cops will be even more outgunned than prior to the ban that expired in 2004. Do we now need to change the shot guns out for AR-15's or AK-47's? What comes next, fully armored vehicles to roll to calls? As cops, we appreciate good weapons and the individual right of every good and sane person to possess them, but how do we keep the "scroats" from getting these great weapons? WE NEED REALISTIC GUN LAWS AND THEN ENFORCE THEM.

Jon L (A/Chief, Retired) @ 12/20/2012 6:15 PM

I am a law enforcement department head and I agree that the law enforcement representation should include officers or deputies and supervisors. Those of us who have worked on the streets and I've seen many from Los Angeles to Oakland and many more, know that taking guns away from good citizens will do nothing to curb gun violence. All you have to do is look at cities like Washington DC and Chicago to determine that - Another thing is apparent, there is a lot of talk about gun control and very little discussion about how many times a gun doesn't have to be used to save a crime victim from a vicious assault; moreover, we still have a Constitution and Bill of Rights which is being largely disregarded in this debate. Thanks, Jon

Jon L (A/Chief, Retired) @ 12/20/2012 6:19 PM

I've got to add one more comment. We have too many gun laws now. We should enforce the laws we have - WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE LAWS. In California, the gun laws are confusing and even the experts give you different interpretations of the same laws, especially related to assault-type weapons. We should repeal some of the laws we have now. I'm going to say something else that is politically incorrect - One armed CCW holder in that Colorado theater or CCW-carrying teacher in Newtown, CT would have stopped those killers in their tracks. Jon

DaveSAM5525G @ 12/20/2012 6:36 PM

All of these comments are excellent. The problem with this meeting is the Agenda...Becominga completely different person to become a leaders doesn't lead to success. The really successful leaders understand their strengths and weaknesses and they supplement their weaknesses by embracing other's who have the strengths that they lack and truly listening to all sides remaining independent and objective is key... Ego's and positions need to be left outside the meeting...TRansparency now matters, and leaders must be transparent. Most truly great leaders are developed through training, mentorship and mistakes...your true self, not who you want to be and all of that comes within cannot be taken but can be given up freely make the giving objective and posistive one for true change not a promise which can be broken but a commitment to all!

I think true physical security entry point strictly controlled from main school yard, armed SRO's and continuious training...need to be addressed. The old public school house I sat in the 60's everyone came and went including the old town wino who came in to get out of the winter elements, or rain when he was up in our area their was a chaing link fence around school and gates were never locked always teacher supervision in the yard I knw they caught us trying to sneak off and raid an apple tree nearby in the fall... usually met by a teacher or principle in rushed into their officer maybe given a warm drink and turned over on his way or if persistent a call to the police who gave him a place to sleep it off...Those days are gone for the most part!

Al Lester @ 12/20/2012 7:18 PM

Good discussions - and right along the lines that would be expected from officers who daily must address the realities of our world and our communities...who live, and sometimes die, and keep the peace and safety of our communities in an environment which works on the facts as they are and not the fictions of political aspirations.
By the way, I am - or was - one of those LEO Leaders, retired as a deputy chief after 27 years - 27 years of real police work from walking a beat on up. The sadness and tragedy that accompanies the loss of innocent lives is overwhelming for every feeling person.
A secondary and continuing tragedy is that the evil done there will become a role player in a debate for which the final answer was written before it began - I heard Feinstein saying that she and her folks have been working on her proposals for over a year...long before the tragedies we have seen; because it is not about tragedies or preventing tragedies - little is likely to be addressed to any meaningful measures and one can only contemplate what emergency legislation will be needed next year and the year after that - this is but an obvious pretense and precursor to more yet to come.
Two parting thoughts - the Murrah building in OKC was destroyed with hundreds of lives using a truck full of fertilizer...I am in complete agreement with other comments to this point.
...and, for those of you who are wearing the badge or have worn it the future may pose another problem for as I recall we have all sworn an oath to "...support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic..", where we go from here cannot but give one pause for thought. Be safe.

Tom Ret @ 12/20/2012 8:19 PM

Obama, in keeping with his first 4 years, picks the two biggest numb
nuts in the country to look into gun violence.

Retired Boss @ 12/20/2012 8:47 PM

Nothing will be solved until we discuss the real issues. Where we are heading as a society. The gun violence are just a symptom of the disease.

Billy @ 12/20/2012 9:55 PM

This is in response to 1098JJ's statement, "how do we keep the "scroats" from getting these great weapons? WE NEED REALISTIC GUN LAWS AND THEN ENFORCE THEM." We already have plenty of realistic gun laws, but he only people that obey them are the honest citizens. The gun laws of Connecticut kept the Sandy Hook killer from buying a gun, but they couldn't keep him from killing his mother and taking hers. There's also laws against murder; they didn't stop him either. American's as a whole are guilty of the "There Oughta be a Law" syndrome. Problem is only the honest folks will follow the law. For the bad guys that law has to be vigorously enforced and then the penalties of that law exacted with no ifs, ands or buts. As an LEO I can arrest the law breaker, but if the DA, US Attorney, whoever, lets the perp cop a plea and get a slap on the wrist or if the judge does not impose the maximum provisions of the law in his sentence, the criminal will not think twice about breaking that law; be it gun control, homicide, drug peddling, etc. Until the courts do their jobs and put gun law breakers behind bars for hard time, we can make all the silly laws we want, they just won't do a damn bit of good except to disarm the law-abiding folks who need guns the most. The other problem I have with Assault Gun bans is that the way the politicians write up the laws, once they are passed you suddenly find out that your grandfather's .22 rifle you use to hunt squirrels is now an "Assault Gun" because it has a 12-round magazine. Now YOU are the criminal for having this awful "Assault Gun."

crispianranger @ 12/20/2012 11:48 PM

It seems that the Romans had the similer problems! "CUM CATAPULTAE PROSCRIPTAE ERUNT, SOLI PROSCRIPT CATAPULTAS HABEBUNT" (if you outlaw catapults, only the outlaws will have catapults) Sound familiar???

Yooper @ 12/21/2012 3:25 AM

Lets start considering the mental health aspect of the violence, rather than focusing on the implement being used. Removing guns from the equation doesn't fix crazy.

RicW @ 12/21/2012 4:27 AM

First off - it's good to see some senior leaders commenting that senior leadership in law enforcement shouldn't be the only law enforcement representation on this so-called committee. But then, you have the senior gun runner and the bumbling assistant to the destroyer of the Constitution running this charade. We all know that obama wants to confiscate every firearm in America, despite his smirky assurances to the contrary. He's fearful that we might do as others have, and actually use them to defend ourselves and, perhaps, our country. The only way to stop this is to ensure that your representatives understand that they'll lose their phony baloney jobs if they support it.

Robin Carlton @ 12/21/2012 7:02 AM

I am sure the "law enforcement leaders" are not street cops, and most have probably never been a street cop. I am sure they were handpicked because they supported the President in the election. Beside, they aren't my leader. Want results, ask the guys and gals on the street in the patrol cars, not the ones sitting in an officer with no idea on what is going on.

Mike Moats @ 12/21/2012 11:42 AM

As most of us know these incidents are complex and have numerous causes. This committee is going to focus on one thing, firearms! Don’t think that they are only going to focus on what they incorrectly call “Assault weapons”. The zealots that want to take away all firearms are going to attempt to push their agenda. I’ve been an police officer/supervisor for over 30 years and have never been afraid of the law bidding citizen owning firearms. I have retired from one agency and am now working at a State mental health residential center as a police officer. I can tell you that I have people here that are court committed, but the campus is open and unrestricted. They can literally walk off the campus and staff is told that they can’t stop them. I have a resident that is not competent to stand trial on a rape and murder of a 4 year old here. Our center is within a 100 yards of a learning disabled school, a middle school, ¼ mile from several day cares centers and less than ½ mile to an elementary school! But yet my centers CEO refuses to allow us to carry any type of weapons or control devices! The state wants a mental health program that does not allow any type of restraint, even if being assaulted! The argument is they aren’t responsible for what they do! The issues facing our nation over this terrible event are multi-faceted. Please don’t have a knee jerk reaction to this! If like I, you support the Second Amendment and firearms rights don’t allow yourself to be lax about voicing your opinion. Contact your representatives and make your opinion know. Remind them of the consequences that occurred to members of congress that passed the last failed “Assault Weapons Ban!”

JP @ 12/21/2012 12:54 PM

I get a little tired of reading the blogs that refer to the brass as people who have not worked the streets in years, are political, and are out of touch. I know many "Brass" like myself who have worked the past 28 years in the gutter, hooking crooks. Just because one day you finally get promoted to a management position does not mean all your years of experience goes away, it means you are now in a position to make changes, and affect policy. Yes there are brass who got there leg hanging and working mostly admin spots. But there are plenty that have gone up through the ranks working there butts off in the gutter.

AZBIGDOG @ 12/22/2012 7:50 AM

Does anyone believe that it is not going to be the same old drivel and ridiculous mantras coming from the brass and the feds? If so, I have beach front property to sell you along the AZ and ca border. You can sun and be tanned all year round.

Charles Rall @ 1/11/2013 6:23 PM

I wonder how the gun control will affect retired police officers and LEOSA

Dave Harris @ 1/11/2013 8:47 PM

There are way more murders committed by baseball bats that guns. Using statistics they should remove bats long before guns.

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