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Does the LEOSA Carry Law Apply to You?

The law is not as cut-and-dried as you think. And much of what you hear about it is wrong.

January 17, 2014  |  by James M. Baranowski

Photo: Police File
Photo: Police File

Having served in the Marine Corps, I am familiar with the perils of scuttlebutt, an old Navy term for water cooler talk that now means rumors and gossip. In law enforcement, a lot of the recent scuttlebutt focuses on off-duty and retired officer carry laws, covering what you can and cannot do under the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA).

Signed into law on July 22, 2004, by President George W. Bush and codified as 18 U.S.C. §§ 926B & C, LEOSA was intended to afford qualified active (QLEO) and qualified retired law enforcement officers (QRLEO) the privilege of carrying a concealed firearm in all 50 states, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and all other U.S. possessions (except the Canal Zone) notwithstanding any other provision of the law of any state or political subdivision thereof.

LEOSA sounds pretty cut and dried. But unfortunately, it isn't.

Vague language, confusing amendments, and a relative shortage of interpretive case law have allowed scuttlebutt and confusion to take over common sense application of its principles. And clarifying this law and what it means for law enforcement officers and retired law enforcement officers is a large part of my job as attorney for the National Rifle Association.

Qualification Requirements

Initially intended to apply only to people who are QLEO and QRLEO, LEOSA was amended in both 2010 and 2013, opening the door to individuals separated after an aggregate of 10 years or more service as an active, reserve, auxiliary, or volunteer law enforcement officer, as well as military and DOD police and law enforcement officers. In addition, LEOSA now applies for active law enforcement officers of the Amtrak Police Department, Federal Reserve, and executive branch of the Federal Government, even if they lack statutory powers of arrest. However, because of a failure to remain consistent with the language used in both parts of the statute, those without arrest authority are unable to qualify upon separation.

While many agencies argue that only full-time officers qualify for the privileges afforded by LEOSA, the plain language of the statute and case law interpreting it prove otherwise.

In The People of the State of New York v. Arthur Rodriguez (Indictment # 2917/06 (NY. Sup. Ct. 2006), the New York Supreme Court found that Rodriguez, a Pennsylvania Constable (despite constables not being paid a salary by any municipal subdivision and working more like independent contractors paid on a per job basis), was in fact employed by the court and qualified for protection under LEOSA.

The U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia took a similar position in an amicus brief filed in the Superior Court of D.C. case of District of Columbia v. Barbusin (Criminal No. 2012-CDC-00913). Barbusin, a special police officer of the District of Columbia Protective Services Police Department, asserted LEOSA protection following charges stemming from the alleged illegal possession of an assault weapon in the District. While the case was ultimately dismissed with prejudice due to Brady violations, the language of the government's amicus brief is instructive on the issue. In the brief, the government notes that LEOSA's definition of a "qualified law enforcement officer" is to be read broadly and that a defendant producing evidence supporting the performance of law enforcement activities such as those outlined in LEOSA satisfies "LEOSA's broad definition of a 'qualified law enforcement officer.'"

Another argument frequently raised by agencies hostile to LEOSA is that an individual must possess both law enforcement authority and agency authorization to carry a firearm while off duty in order to qualify for LEOSA. In one of the few criminal cases to examine this issue, People v. Booth, 862 N.Y.S.2d 767, (NY. Co. Ct. 2008), the defendant, a Coast Guard reservist, was charged with the crime of Criminal Possession of a Weapon in the Second Degree after a loaded handgun was found in a compartment underneath the seat of the vehicle in which he was traveling. Even though Booth was off duty at the time of his arrest and did not possess agency authority to carry while off duty, the Court found that Booth's duties in the Coast Guard, which were defined "as the prevention, detection, [and] investigation of violations of the law" as well as his "authority and duty to arrest violators" and qualification to carry a firearm, despite its time and place restrictions, qualified him for LEOSA and exempted him from prosecution under New York State Law. Id. at 770.

Reliance on scuttlebutt surrounding qualification requirements and failing to recognize LEOSA's preemptive authority over state law can be costly. In People of the State of California v. Jose Diaz, Case No. 7GF00494 (Cal. Sup. Ct. 2007), a Coast Guard boarding officer was arrested under Cal. Pen. Code § 12031(A)(1) for carrying a loaded firearm in his vehicle while in a public place. At the time of his arrest, Diaz was traveling with a cased firearm and loaded magazine in the back seat of his automobile. The charge was  dismissed on oral motion by the prosecutor after it became evident to the City that LEOSA preempted Diaz's prosecution. Diaz sued for a violation of his civil rights, Diaz v. City of San Fernando, et al., Case No. PC044139 (Cal. Sup. Ct. 2011). The civil suit settled outside of court, and the Settlement and Release Agreement entered into between Diaz and the City resulted in a $43,500 payment to Diaz and a redraft of the City's police training standards on LEOSA.

ID Issues

As members of the Coast Guard, both Booth and Diaz qualified for LEOSA prior to a recent amendment to the statute. With the new language, however, they likely do not.

On Jan. 2, 2013, LEOSA was amended to specifically allow for active and "retired" (as defined by LEOSA) military and DOD police and law enforcement officers with UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) apprehension authority to qualify for the statute; however, also hidden within the amendment was language mandating that all QLEOs now carry a photographic ID that "identifies the employee as a police or law enforcement officer of the agency," and that QRLEOs carry a photographic ID "that identifies the person as having been employed as a police or law enforcement officer."

The DOD has not amended its own policy on LEOSA, DODI 5525.12, resulting in an inability for many that are now able to qualify, and those that previously did, to obtain the requisite photographic identification card. A standard CAC or blue retiree card will not work for LEOSA purposes, as the photographic ID needed to identify the individual as either being actively or having once been employed as a police or law enforcement officer of the agency.

While enacted in an effort to limit the ability to qualify for LEOSA to only those military and DOD personnel that served in a police or law enforcement billet, this change will likely cause substantial difficulties for many non-DOD law enforcement officers that already have significant problems obtaining the required identification cards from their agencies, and especially for those who qualify but do not hold, or never held, the title of police or law enforcement officer. This problem is only compounded by the fact that LEOSA does not bestow either an explicit right to obtain the required photographic ID or a federal remedy for an agency's failure to issue one.

This issue has been challenged multiple times in state court and the denying agency has always prevailed; first, in the 2007 case of McKinley v. City of Topeka, Case No. 06-C-376, and then again in the 2010 cases of Moore, et al. V. Trent, et al, 2010 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 133038 (E.D. Illinois 2010) and Johnson v. NY State Dept. of Corrections, 709 F.Supp.2d 178 (N.D.N.Y. 2010). In all of these cases it was found that as long as the agency's denial is not arbitrary or capricious there is no remedy available to the individual who is denied issuance of an identification card.

Despite the lack of ability for many to demand a qualifying ID card, QRLEOs of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives; the Drug Enforcement Administration; the Federal Bureau of Investigation; the Federal Bureau of Prisons; the Office of Inspector General (insofar as the retiree exercised statutory law enforcement authority at the time of his retirement); and the U.S. Marshals Service are in luck. In a January 31, 2005 memo to the agencies, the Attorney General of the United States provided guidance on the application of LEOSA and directed that IDs "shall be issued" to QRLEOs.

Gun-Free Zones

Another area rife with confusion is where an individual may carry under the protections afforded by LEOSA. Despite its intent, LEOSA does not preempt all state laws.

Explicitly written into the statute are several areas considered off limits to those carrying under LEOSA such as restrictions imposed by private persons or entities on their property and those imposed on state or local government property, installations, buildings, and parks. What is not included in the statute is where problems may arise.

Per 18 U.S.C. § 930(a) an individual is prohibited from possessing or attempting to possess a firearm in a federal facility, which is broadly defined in the statute to include "a building or part thereof owned or leased by the federal government, where federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties."

While the ban on possession in federal facilities appears to be well understood and recognized by those carrying under LEOSA, the exemptions which allow individuals with a state-issued permit to carry concealed firearms in federal park lands and through GFSZs (gun-free school zones) are not.

The exemptions for these areas (36 C.F.R. §§ 2.4(e) & (h), 18 U.S.C. § 922(q)) allow for individuals carrying concealed in accordance with the laws of the state in which the federal park or GFSZ is located to carry concealed in them; however, an individual carrying under LEOSA is carrying under federal law and not in accordance with the laws of the state they are in. What this means is that you are not exempted from carrying a concealed firearm in these areas UNLESS you are on official duty or possess a valid and qualifying state-issued concealed carry permit.

Don't think this applies to you? Think again. Go check out your local planning department's Website or take a quick look at the map below taken from the San Francisco Planning Department's Website ( Most cities are so laden with GFSZs that it is virtually impossible to travel anywhere without inadvertently passing through one of them.

While it was once reasonable to assume that professional courtesy would eliminate the probability of prosecution based on a violation in one of these areas, that all changed last year when a QRLEO was charged while walking through an alleged GFSZ in New York City. While the case is still in its infancy, the fact that charges were brought highlights the importance of understanding your surroundings despite LEOSA's other protections, especially in notoriously unfriendly gun rights environments like New York.

What You Can Carry

LEOSA specifically prohibits certain firearms such as machineguns and destructive devices, as well as silencers, but the law is silent on other types of firearms. Many assume that the law only applies to handguns; however, most firearms capable of being concealed are covered. An examination of the legislative history, as well as two cases addressing the issue, clearly demonstrates that LEOSA applies to all firearms except those specifically exempted.

During initial debate in the House on this issue, Rep. Bobby Scott (D-VA) proposed an amendment to add "semi-automatic assault weapons" to the firearms excluded from exemption under the statute, arguing:

"Since we have decided that people, without authority to carry firearms, even in their own agency, who may have no training, can carry concealed weapons in violation of the local ordinances and local agency regulations, we just want to make sure that this bill does not allow them to carry military assault weapons concealed in violation of local laws and regulations."

Scott's amendment was rejected.

Furthermore, in his dissenting view of the equivalent Senate bill, Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) made clear that this Act is not limited only to the possession of handguns, noting:

"It is equally clear, however, that off-duty and retired officers do not need to carry concealed shotguns, sniper rifles, or other weapons that their own police departments have not authorized them to carry. The Committee's failure to limit the bill to authorized police weapons—or even to handguns, as New Jersey law provides—will further undermine the safety of American communities."

In People v. Peterson out of the Twelfth Judicial Circuit, Will County, Ill., the defendant was indicted for the class 3 felony of Unlawful Use of a Weapon for knowingly possessing a modified rifle with a barrel less than 16 inches in length. The court dismissed the case, finding that LEOSA applied to the defendant, that "LEOSA does not provide definitions as to the issue of carry or concealment…", and that the state not only failed to provide evidence sufficient to prove that firearms rendered illegal by state law are protected by LEOSA, but also that "at trial it is the State's burden to prove each element of the offense charged," and that "[b]y these findings, it would be impossible for the State to do so." Decision and Order, page 3.

The issue was also litigated in the Barbusin case mentioned above. Again, while the case was never decided, the AG's memo again proves instructive. Highlighting the fact that "Congress made clear that the term 'firearm' 'has the same meaning' as in 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3)…" which "defines a 'firearm' as 'any weapon…which will…expel a projectile by the action of an explosive,'" it was determined that Barbusin's AR-15 satisfied "this broad definition."

Qualifying Yearly

This interpretation of the law makes a fallacy of the argument many departments and qualified instructors make that QRLEOs must qualify yearly on every firearm they intend to carry under the privilege of LEOSA, and not simply on each type, including handguns, long guns, and shotguns.

As most retirees unable to qualify with the department or agency they separated from are well aware, a cottage industry of instructors claiming to posses the ability to perform LEOSA qualifications has emerged. LEOSA is clear that QRLEOs must meet "the standards for qualification in firearms training for active law enforcement officers as determined by the former agency of the individual, the State in which the individual resides or, if the State has not established such standards, either a law enforcement agency within the State in which the individual resides or the standards used by a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State."

While some states do afford NRA Law Enforcement Certified Instructors with the qualification to perform this test to retired officers, most states do not. Accordingly, many individuals performing LEOSA qualifications do not possess the authority to do so. In addition, it is common for these individuals to inform QRLEOs that they must qualify on every firearm they intend to carry, generating additional fees under a false reading of the law.

As the legislative history, statute, and case law make clear, if you qualify on one type of firearm, you can carry any firearm of that type under LEOSA. Accordingly, qualifying with a handgun enables you to carry any handgun under LEOSA, be it pistol or revolver. No separate qualification is necessary unless the state or agency has a different qualification standard for it. 

James M. Baranowski is Associate Litigation Counsel at the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action and a member of the International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association (ILEETA). He is a decorated combat veteran, having served in the United States Marine Corps both as an officer with 1st Reconnaissance Battalion and as a judge advocate.

Comments (307)

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Glenn Wheeler @ 1/19/2014 10:01 PM

Great article with some good info that helps to clear up some grey areas of LEOSA. Thank you for posting it.

Garry L. Adams @ 1/20/2014 10:21 AM

Why then has this not become mandated for city agencies to issue these ID's? How can this provision apply to those that have seperated with less then 20 but greater then10 years of service get an ID? I have been trying for 14 years to get the Lee's Summit Mo. police dept. to issue an ID and for fellow officer's, but sense it is not "shall" or mandated they will not issue, unless you have 20+ years.

Todd @ 1/20/2014 12:57 PM

Great read. There are still a great many issues with its law, the application within the states, and the content, but many of the issues that are hardest to grasp are covered here. There is still a very small amount of case law, and I appreciate some being explained here.

Ordinary Joe @ 1/20/2014 1:01 PM

@Garry Adams, You could try to sue them?

Had my LEOSA permit for a year. Never had any issues.

Capt. Crunch @ 1/20/2014 1:26 PM

Thanks for nothing Pres. Bush, now that you got involved professional curiosity is against the law and the idiot we have now for president makes things worst.

David Phillips @ 1/20/2014 1:41 PM

Who would arrest a fellow officer ?
Liberal, Anti-Gun States is where it appears to be occurring .
Go Figure 😡

David Phillips @ 1/20/2014 1:43 PM

Gary, it sounds like local politics at its worst 😳

TheRookie @ 1/20/2014 5:14 PM

Each time a new Sheriff is elected he/she has their own set of construed policies, and/or addendums to the current SOP. I found it impossible to get the required ID from a whole New Department Administration, County Commission, Personal Director, and/or County Manager/Executive. Don't know how Police Departments are on this, but would bet some are the same way.

Robby @ 1/21/2014 5:49 AM

The biggest problem for me is being coast Guard with law enforcement powers. I cannot Cary under leosa because our IDs say nothing about being law enforcement. But under 14USC89 it states petty commissioned and warrant officers have law Enforcement powers and on my id it says Petty Officer but that is it goods enough for this law.

Marshal @ 1/21/2014 10:47 AM

Pretty chicken shit to write another officer for carrying a gun unless the officer is doing something else illegal.

ROGER PRINCE @ 1/21/2014 3:30 PM


GLM @ 1/21/2014 3:51 PM

Capt. Crunch... that is perhaps the dumbest comment I have heard in a long time...

perry @ 1/21/2014 6:41 PM

Capt. Crunch(Capt.Lamebrain")
I hope you're comment wasn't directed to Roger Prince. He was exactly right. If it was, you must be one of those "wanna-be-cops that just couldn't make it. Pschological problem is what it sounds like to me. Good call on whomever made it!!!!!

Tipsovr @ 1/22/2014 2:54 AM

I noticed a theme in the law suits listed in the article. NY & CA; the two most anti-gun states we have. Perhaps this article should be mandatory in-service training material in those two states (actually every state should provide this info to all LE agencies). Good write up. Thanks

Joe Kimble @ 1/22/2014 6:47 AM

I have had my LEOSA permit for 4 years with no problems. I have been stopped twice on traffic stops, and advised the officer that I was a retired Trooper with a LEOSA permit (twice in Michigan and once in Nebraska) and had several loaded handguns in the car. None of the officers even wanted to see the guns (as I believe they had a right to do).

Right after I obtained my LEOSA permit/credentials 4 years ago, I attended a Federal Training class at a Federal facility. I called ahead and all I had to do was unload the pistol and keep it locked in my car while on site. Other Federal facilities explicitly state by signage at their doors, prohibit any CCW on site.

I have always felt that if you do not flash the gun use common sense, that is half the battle. Even in NYC, I know there is a small chance I could have some trouble. But the gun will never be visible unless my life or my wife's depends on some action on my part.

Great article.

Smgcat @ 1/22/2014 9:26 AM

This law has just gone crazy, with everyone that has jumped in on the bandwagon, some of the folks claiming they fall under the law, I know don't have the training and everyday experience that civilian LE has, and even that was broken down after the law came out so that probably is not a correct statement anymore.

Rev. Anthony L. Lisi, D.D @ 1/22/2014 9:32 AM

Why can't retired law offiicers have a non-profit national organization where they can register that they are a retired law officer and so proven and be issued an ID card that is excepted by this goverment.

Capt. Crunch @ 1/22/2014 12:10 PM

perry (space cadet) for your info I agree with Roger Prince. So WTF are you talking about. If you are a LEO (which I don't believe you are) I hope you read your Penal Code better then you read these comments.

John @ 1/22/2014 5:42 PM

Joe Kimbel " he has it right."

Bill Sorrentino Sr @ 1/22/2014 7:32 PM

Great article. I have been preaching most of what was written since the LEOSA was first established. Be sure to carry a copy of the LEOSA law and this article when traveling.
Professional Courtesy: I first became a cop March, 1970. I remember one time in 71 I pursued 3 perps at 1AM for breaking into a car. Being a NYC Transit cop, we had no partners. We also did not have radios. Now here I am middle of the night on a side street with three perps at gunpoint, trying to handcuff at least two. All of a sudden a car pulls up and three guys jump out with guns drawn asking; “Can you use some help?” We got them all cuffed and they helped me walk the perps back to the subway station so I could call for backup. Where did these off duty cops work: Newark, New Jersey. They were in the city having a good time. Technically, all three were committing a felony by having a firearm in New York City. Did I care, nope. I said thanks for the help and they left.
I‘m still working. March will be 44 years.

Jim @ 1/23/2014 4:56 AM

It's obvious by the way these laws, LEOSA and Concealed Carry (especially in Illinois) are written,that many politicians would rather have their fellow criminals carry firearms, than trained law enforcement officers.

zato @ 1/23/2014 5:47 AM

Just remember old school law I am my brother's keeper ??? pro. courtesy.. and keep it moving .. new generation need to remember they will be retired one day and stop acting like hard nose jerks ...

zato @ 1/23/2014 5:48 AM

Great info .. active officers need to remember they will to b retired one day ???

CW @ 1/23/2014 7:39 AM

I retired to AZ and gun laws are pretty loose here. You see people carrying open at the grocery store in my town. I think carrying open makes you a target but it is what it is. Remember my retired brothers, the cops today are brave and they are warriors, but there is really no professional courtesy any more. Another subject. Sad

CW @ 1/23/2014 7:39 AM

I retired to AZ and gun laws are pretty loose here. You see people carrying open at the grocery store in my town. I think carrying open makes you a target but it is what it is. Remember my retired brothers, the cops today are brave and they are warriors, but there is really no professional courtesy any more. Another subject. Sad

Ernest Howey @ 1/23/2014 11:03 AM

I am retired and vested rights of 15 years and one bullet hole later. my
police department ( Sunrise Police Dept. ) will not let me qualify or issue me a
ID card ( QRLEO ). I paid my dues and I would do it all again.
Trying to obtain more information

Barbusin @ 1/23/2014 5:27 PM

Mr Baranowski, If you are going to write about my case, please attempt to contact me first or at least write my correct title. First, I'm a Police Officer, NOT a special police officer as outline in your article. The Judges ruling confirms this fact, prior to the dismissal on Brady. Second Judge Richter, made a serious error in the interpretation of LEOSA. His view, was strictly by the words in the law "CARRY CONCEALED". Because the weapon was NOT on my person, but locked in my house, He said that LEOSA was not applicable to this case. This in my opinion, would have been overturned on appeal if it went that far. There is enough case law including the Peterson case to prove otherwise. In the US Attorney Brief, although they said I was a LEO and the weapon was covered, they also said that I had to "Prove" I made arrests, which the law (LEOSA) doesn't require. Since I made plenty of arrests this would not have been a issue. Everyone adds their own twist to LEOSA how they see fit.

SnowCop @ 1/24/2014 2:52 AM

Just to expand on the broadness of the legislation... Would it be possible for an active LEO from another country, like Canada or Mexico to carry? The legislation does not specify that the person has to be employed in the US. I am employed by the Canadian Federal Government. I have arrest authority in Canada. I can't bring my sidearm into the US without special authorization, however under LEOSA, would it be legal for a US colleague to loan me a weapon for concealed carry, say while on a course, etc?
I have no plans to do this, but for the sake of discussion. What do you think?

legalbeagle @ 1/24/2014 6:58 AM

Barbusin, I have followed your case for some time and never noted anything in the record ruling that PSPD officers are anything more than SPOs. I also don't see anything in the article regarding the carrying issue, but as you raise this in your comment I would strongly encourage you to check with your counsel to see who authored the brief that brought the Peterson case to the court's attention before attempting to educate the author on the law. Appears to me that the only thing you are right about is that everyone does add their own twist.

Tom Kasprzak @ 1/24/2014 8:52 AM

I think the key is the ID that "qualifies" you under LEOSA. No LEOSA ID no LEOSA. I understand the GFSZ's present a problem as you may not be familiar with every single school in every town you pass through. Corrective legislation was allegedly filed to correct it. I don't know if it has or hasn't. I retired from a state law enforcement agency and unbelievably our colonel provided a correctly worded card but we had to return to our Boston HQ to sign for it. I live in FL now and the local county sheriff's office charges RQLEOS $50 for their firearms instructors to recertify us each year. They do so with a friendly, professional manner and honestly it's a no sweat course and I do qualify with both a semi and a revolver. The above letter says that is not required but since there is no additional charge I do it. We receive a satisfactory completion card signed by the instructors and it's done right. I carry FLs CCWP which is reciprocal in 34 states. "Shall issue" ids are a must for RLEOs.

uslawman1983 @ 1/24/2014 12:10 PM

I'm a 31 year veteran in FL and readying for retirement later this year. I will be relocating to TN (both gun friendly states) and plan to qualify with the local agency in the new home state. I'll then keep my LEOSA permit and "retired" credentials with me at all times. Here in FL we come into contact with vacationing and retired LEO's frequently. I'm always glad to know that they're carrying when they ask me about it. It might be ME that they help out in a bad situation. I have traveled to many states over the years and have always had a gun with me and have never had a problem, even in NYC when I went to Freedom Park, when I saw the No Firearms Sign, I alerted an on duty NYPD sarge, badged and advised him I was armed. He said "no problem, we get visiting cops here all the time", we walked out to a squad car on stationary post, I secured my weapon, spare mag and knife in the trunk and exchanged numbers. Came back an hour later, got my gun back, no problems. Thanks NYPD!

rleon271 @ 1/24/2014 2:47 PM

I started my career in 1982 with Essex County PD, NJ. Then I got laid off in May 1991 & then hired by East Orange PD, NJ in Oct 1991. I voluntarily resigned (in good standing) in Oct 1998 to relocate out of state. So if I'm reading this correctly, under the amendments to LEOSA, I would qualify. Is that correct??

MValentine @ 1/25/2014 11:29 AM

A very good article. Facts are accurate but some conclusions I might no agree with. It is now almost 10 years since the act was passed and for those ten years those who meet the statutory criteria are barred from conviction with or without the proper credential. The credential is to make the person easier to identify but it does not create the authority. With the new DOD inclusion of Jan 2013, now a year old and never implemented, retired military agents of OSI, USMC, NCIS and CID are still protected by the amended law. They are forced to carry their old credential because their agencies continue to drag their heels about issuance. But whether a person in covered by LEOSA is not determined by whether their agencies have issued a retiree credential.

Ron @ 1/25/2014 1:55 PM

Can we simply get an effort from the U.S. Attorney General to simplify this entire matter?

Joe steuer @ 1/25/2014 8:36 PM

I don't believe you want any opinion from the current U.S. Attorney General. He would most likely render his opinion that NO retired or active LEO while not on duty should be allowed to carry any handgun period. Thanks for a great article which I found very informative. I have been retired from full time LE and never had a problem. But, I am still concerned about carrying in Maryland, Chicago or D.C. Right or wrong, I still believe some of our "brothers" would lock us up should there be a situation where you had to produce your weapon. I really hope that would not be the case.

Mark @ 1/25/2014 9:24 PM

I travel frequently for pleasure, and I decided years ago to completely boycott states that would target me as a criminal after a successful career and retirement as a LEO, simply for carrying a firearm. I refuse to set foot in Illinois, New Jersey, New York, Maryland, California, and DC. My dollars stay in gun friendly states. Thank God I am retired. The lack of professional courtesy in law enforcement is appalling. I can understand arresting a retired or off duty LEO if they are acting foolishly or criminally, but for simply minding their own business and going armed, no way. I may just be the guy that saves your behind when you need help, and it would be wise for current LEO's to remember that.

Henry Eversole @ 1/26/2014 9:15 AM

First, I want thank you all for your service. Remember that the general public does not understand the concept that many men and women have taken an Oath to protect them and that Oath extends beyond your active service. It is a Bell that you cannot unwring. Also that the laws that are written are not written with good Intention, but to make political mileage for those Politicians and for the Media Hype (AKA to Make Money). We must all be true to our Oath and show respect to each other. I am not a LEO, however I served six in the US ARMY, in a number of positions and I took an Oath that cannot be undone. I believe in that Oath and would not hesitate to place myself in harm’s way to protect others as I have in the past. Information and knowledge are our best weapons in our struggle. Those of us not on active should remain proficient in our skills. When involved with active duty personnel give them every respect they deserve, as they are doing their job and are on the cutting edge.

Mario Corletto @ 1/26/2014 9:15 PM

I want to know why is it that if federal law states that retired LEO's don't need to obtain a local carrying permit, the NYPD forces their retirees to pay a fingerprint fee of prints they already have in the system, in order to obtain said carrying permit. The NYPD forces their retirees to invoice their weapons until a carrying permit is obtained.

mario corletto @ 1/26/2014 10:34 PM

Why is it that the NYPD asks their retirees to obtain a concealed carry permit when the federal law states that no local permit is required. The NYPD is known to violate a great deal of federal laws pertaining to their current and past members.

Curt @ 1/28/2014 4:16 PM

Please Clarify the 10 years of Service. Does this mean if you serve 10 years as an LEO even through you are not "retired" under any pension or retirement plan, but left law enforcement voluntarily you can qualify for the QRLEO?

Monte Tatum @ 1/28/2014 4:23 PM

I was going to visit California from Florida and called their highway dept. Legal and was told they did not honor the LEosa. I would be arrested if found to have a firearm. I cancelled the trip. We need a national carry permit that all states will honor. Thank you for the informative article.

Dennis @ 1/28/2014 7:21 PM

I qualify once a year and have my endorsement. No problems. I am retired from a California State agency as an Investigator/Peace Officer. I think a lot of agencies are not well versed on the LEOSA. I have to admit, my dept. dragged their feet for a couple years before they wrote a policy to comply with the Federal Law and its intent. Other depts. need to get on board. Articles like this won will help.

Hank @ 1/29/2014 4:32 AM

Fuck it keep that smoker strapped at all times and....Keep your powder dry!

Hank @ 1/29/2014 4:34 AM

I say keep that smoker strapped at all times and keep your powder dry!

Brian @ 1/29/2014 4:51 AM

Thanks Hank for repeating your classy and profound thoughts....

James @ 1/29/2014 10:14 AM

While a great article, this does have a bad interpretation as LEOSA applies to US Coast Guard boarding officers and boarding team members.

Under 14USC89A, ALL USCG personnel E4 and above are qualified law enforcement officers. To satisfy the ID requirement, the military ID card stating "US Coast Guard" and rank "E4/PO3" or above should suffice, as before. While it doesn't say "police" it DOES show LE authority.

Carrying a copy of the Boarding officer letter would show qualification in firearms, as keeping a current letter shows that you have qualified in firearms and are authorized to perform LE by your command.

Ralph @ 1/29/2014 6:50 PM

Great to have the info

MAN @ 1/29/2014 7:21 PM

I agree with many of the statements, especially those concerning the education of so many agencies needing to know and follow the LEOSA. My department didn't seem too concerned until I reminded them that they too would retire someday. Since retirement I have travel our great country and spoken with many of our brothers and sisters, active and retired about the LEOSA. I found many who are not aware of it and those who are say that they wouldn't jerk a fellow retiree around for carrying, even those in FL. I guess I am one of the lucky ones who received my retired shield and photo ID as a parting gift. Now I qualify annually during departmental qualifications with the active guys.

LawMan5643 @ 1/30/2014 11:40 AM

I currently work for the Cook County Sheriff's Department correctional division, Chicago Illinois. Our Illinois Training & Standards board doesn't recognize us as law enforcement officers because we have corrections behind our title. Our badges & Id's state Deputy Sheriff, Cook County Sheriff. I've never heard of a jail being a correctional institution, at best we're a detention center. I was wondering if this law applies to us or not?

NYPD29373 @ 1/30/2014 2:24 PM

No to LEOSA. More guns more murders, like that cop in the FL movie theatre.

Greg P. @ 1/31/2014 11:05 AM

LEOSA makes those who benefit from it look terrible.It appears as an abuse of power and reeks of corruption.The constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms.All qualifying citizens should have the same options given by LEOSA to the LE community. The public should have to qualify just like a LEO but they should have the same options. Giving LEO's "special treatment" as the LEOSA does casts a dark shadow on us all.The second amendment is very clear-The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.It is infringed in many states.For the record-to the haters out there-I am a retired LEO with 31 years of service.I want no special treatment.I want my sons who are not LEO's to be able to protect themselves and their families,and carry a weapon.The truth is they are likely more qualified to do so then many so called professionals out there. We all know professional LEO's that have no business carrying a weapon.We are not special and should not be treated as such.

Mark @ 2/1/2014 8:00 PM

NYPD29373: Typical NY arrogance. Do you really mean to tell me that when you retire, you won't seek the option to carry? I can just hear it now, "well yes, because I'm NYPD and entitled, but no one else should be allowed". Like it or not, it is the law, even though your agency routinely ignores it. Wouldn't catch me dead in NYC. I have 30+ years of experience and good judgement. What makes you better than me?

Mark @ 2/1/2014 8:32 PM

And while I'm on a roll....... I'm driving down the street minding my own business, and I come across you shot, with the gunman standing over you. Are you really saying you don't want my help? How can I if not properly equipped. I think many of the active duty guys think us old guys are out to steal their thunder. Not so. We just want to protect ourselves, our families, and the innocent. I didn't just suddenly forget all of my training and experience the day I retired. Believe me, I am not looking for trouble.

Enviro cop @ 2/2/2014 12:51 PM

LEOSA is a good law because by having Active and Retired LEOS in the Malls and Streets of America We can stop these Psychopaths from harming the innocent.

Greg P. @ 2/3/2014 8:37 AM

Not sure if your remarks were directed towards me Mark but I am not in New York and I also avoid the state like the plague. If the remarks were not a comment on my post, I apologize for this post being irrelevant.

Mark @ 2/3/2014 9:23 AM

Greg: No sir, not directed at you at all!

Will @ 2/9/2014 2:59 PM

I am a retired military policeman with 22 years of LEO experience. I hear that my branch of service is going to be issuing RLEO credentials this fall through a contractor. I must say that I will be very hesitant to conceal carry under LEOSA. if some active cops are so ignorant of LESOA, that they would hook and book a retired cop from their own sate, I can only imagine how they would treat me.

Rob @ 2/11/2014 5:31 PM

This is a very informative article. Thank you for posting it. I am a 13 year veteran of the USAF as a Security Specialist (Security Police), now they are called Security Forces, who carried everyday and qualified every year. I got out with an honorable discharge due to a medical disability so I retain my benefits. My ID card does not say anything about what I did in the USAF. I think they should make the changes necessary to issue new ID cards that would allow me to carry under the law. But that's just my opinion.

Martin @ 2/11/2014 7:09 PM

18 USC 930 (a) DOES NOT PROHIBIT carrying a firearm in federal facilities. There is a specific exemption in sub (d)(3) of the statute for carrying "incident to hunting or other lawful purposes." other than of course courthouses, US Attys offices and certain places where separate prohibitions exist such as military bases.

Martin @ 2/11/2014 7:19 PM

I also disagree with your virw that qualification on a revolver also qualifies you to carry a semiautomatic and vive verda

Martin @ 2/11/2014 7:22 PM

I meant vice versa. Sub (d)(2)(ii) of 18 USC 926 (c) is unequivocal about firearm type and your interpretation pushes an envelope no retired officer should attempt absent a court case that says otherwise

Steve smithton @ 2/12/2014 3:46 PM

This law is so confusing ( I am a full time LEO)that I would never carry my duty weapon out of state. This law needs to be more clear and allow retired LEO's carry after they retire. My Dept. Does not allow retired or disabled LEO's to qualify annually.

Eric Coastie Norton @ 2/12/2014 9:36 PM

I find agencies that do not issue a specific LEOSA ID cred (or a LEOSA endorsement on current QRLEO ID) are making the proper implementation and interpretation of this law difficult. In addition, the ability to qualify IAW your agency is definitely a problem if you relocate out of state or an area your federal agency has no presence. So I just carry my CG Ret creds and got a state issued CCW and NO PROBLEM. Something to think about also, as QRLEO's we should never have to clear leather or use our weapon unless it's in the defense of ourselves or others life or limb. So in short.........No one should no we have it. Just my opinion. Be safe.....Be strong!

I was a LEOSA case @ 2/13/2014 2:33 PM

The new revision to the law specifies that your ID include a "Law Enforcement Title". It does not say that it has to specifically name you "police" or "Law Enforcement Officer". The author has got that part wrong. In the Coast Guard, PO3, CPO, CWO, etc ARE in fact Law Enforcement titles because of 14USC89A. If a local police department wants to create a title of "Lead Tap Dancer" for it's officers and put that on an ID, that is a law enforcement title in that particular agency, and as long as all of the other criteria are met, that officer should be covered.

tommy @ 2/14/2014 4:04 PM

Send to all security and leo's

Frank53 @ 2/15/2014 2:23 PM

Interesting part of the article that references the "type of firearm". Always believed and was told if you want to carry a revolver, need to qualify with a revolver..same for semi auto...appears if one qualifies with a "handgun", good to go on both. I gave up carrying a revolver just for that reason..too much of a hassle.

dodcop233 @ 2/19/2014 6:29 PM

On February 13, 2014, DODI 5525.12 was amended to instruct all DOD components including the Military to issue ID cards for current law enforcement officers military and civilian stating basically they do qualify under HR 218. Also retired members will be issued retired law enforcement officers ID cards if they meet the required conditions. DODI 5525.12 is available on line.

Nick @ 2/22/2014 6:24 PM

30+ years as a full time police officer. Retired pending a discipline hearing. Won arbitration case and award of $$$ settlement. Now the head of agency refuses to issue me my retirement credentials. It was a violation of policy no criminal case. I did receive 30 day suspension and they took my money out of the settlement $$$ being one months pay. Still head of agency will not issue me retirement credentials. Question violation of my rights?

JOHN MYLETT @ 2/24/2014 11:21 AM

Former USCG Boarding Officer and former Police Officer: There is no question in my mind USCG law enforcement personnel beyond CGIS should be issued federal law enforcement credentials; USCG should transport and book our own federal prisoners into jail and we should also receive All the monetary assets seized by our own agency. Let the DEA destroy the drugs and let the DEA and CGIS and ICE follow up on the investigations of our drug seizures and arrests. USCG is the only branch of the u.s. armed forces with civilian arrest authority and we exercise that authority with distinction every day every where usually under extremely dangerous conditions. It's high time our USCG law enforcement personnel receive the proper recognition we have earned for so many years and the issuance of a shield and credentials is basic and has been overlooked for entirely too long.

JOHN MYLETT @ 2/24/2014 12:21 PM

@ Nick: Interesting although a bit ambiguous. Did you in fact, retire or are you still on the job what is your current status with the p.d.; active or retired? You state you prevailed in arbitration and rcv'd money was the award for "back pay" or punitive sanctions or both? Regard to "Retired LEO credentials" you need to take a close hard look into dept policy and procedures to find out whether the "Chief" has discretionary authority to issue or withhold retired credentials. Seems to me from your set of facts you were made Whole by the process and restored to full benefits which would include your retired credentials. Look into the policy and procedures of your dept. and do so quietly otherwise you may find a sudden amendment to the policy and procedures of your dept. Good luck Bro

Tanner @ 2/28/2014 5:24 PM

One problem that has been identified, are officers that honorably retire from an agency, receive their permit ID, then move out-of-state. The retirement agency (Sacramento Sheriff for one) claims that the officers MUST return once a year to their original agency to qualify and one every 5 years to get a new expired ID card.

James @ 2/28/2014 9:10 PM

This article is, I believe, in error regarding USCG. Uscg is in and of itself an LE agency and not under DOD. Petty officers, warrant officers, and commissioned officers of the USCG have statutory LE status under 14USC89, which is why, in the USCG cases, they were covered with their CAC cards since it showed they were petty officers.

gen lee @ 3/4/2014 9:06 PM

This so called author is a straight RAT from the PSP. Google his name. He rolled on several troopers. He has no respect. He cost the citizens of PA several millions of dollars. RAT RAT RAT

Bruce @ 3/5/2014 7:49 PM

I am a paid, active, level III reserve for 10 years. I carry a department issued duty weapon when working. I do have a ccw for my state. Am I covered under LEOSA?

Doug @ 3/11/2014 9:22 AM

@gen lee, the author never served in the PSP or even in Law Enforcement. After leaving the Marine Corps following over 8 years of service he transitioned into the NRA. Get your facts straight before attempting to slander him. Also have the intestinal fortitude to list you real name if you are going to take to a public forum to spread such misinformation.

Doug @ 3/11/2014 9:26 AM

@gen lee, see the last paragraph of the article and cross reference that with your so called "RAT". You're a clown.

James M. Baranowski is Associate Litigation Counsel at the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action and a member of the International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association (ILEETA). He is a decorated combat veteran, having served in the United States Marine Corps both as an officer with 1st Reconnaissance Battalion and as a judge advocate.

Sgt. Long @ 3/11/2014 7:29 PM

As a police veteran going into year 26, I can assure every LEO reading this article that neither I nor anyone working with me will be engaging in this stupidity of harassing or arresting/charging another LEO, of any status, for carrying a weapon within or through Georgia. As with most stupidity brought on by politicians and certain police agencies that are too thick to "get it", it falls to all of us active duty LEO's to apply the common sense and discretion to application of certain laws. This law cries out for it. As an aside. To various officers from "unfriendly" states and agencies. Even if you won't offer me the same courtesy in your state, regardless of the reason, I will, without hesitation, provide you with safe passage and hospitality while within my jurisdiction. Part of what a good cop does, is to look after his fellow cops, prosecutors, deputies, etc. If I can get you back home safe or to your destination without delay, I will have served the LEO family well. Stay safe!

Robert Scarbrough @ 3/15/2014 4:12 PM

AS a retired police officer, we are to read the laws and not put anything in between the lines. Both LESOA and QRLWOs are cleard for all 50 states, as written. Photo ID should be issued by dept you served in or under. We should be forming a charter and know what we represent and still maintain a standard that we live by. I know that as I pass a brother who is in the enforcement of his duties I look to make sure he is OK. Thre only statement I can make is that we who are retired and those who are active is to keep each other safe and cover the 6 because you can't depend on anyone else except one another. As for CA and Ny is or they our brothers or not that is for them to decide, but as for me I will still defend them to the end because the wear the uniform of honor and put their life on the line and I respecct them for that. ENOUGH SAID I salut all my brother law enforcement officers both active and retired.

Jim Christensen @ 3/25/2014 12:43 PM

I am in the same boat as many where I can't get a ID after working for 12 years in LE. I have contacted every politician I can requesting that the ID be issued by Fed DOJ once proof of employement for greater than 10 years can be shown. In California proof can be obtained through POST, which I have.

John Mylett @ 3/29/2014 10:08 AM

With regard to US Coast Guard and Leosa. It's a unique situation with obvious problems for our law enforcement personnel. Clearly, there is no issue at all when the officer is in uniform on land or at sea. USCG leo's are highly visible on land at ports around the country and overseas armed like any other federal leo and there isn't any local state or other federal leo who will challenge USCG L/E authority. It's the "off duty" issue which is raised and often challenged at the local level. Typically, these cases originate from a traffic stop and a consent to search or search incident to arrest, etc... Do I believe a cook in the coast guard should be covered under leosa? No. Suppose the cook is an "E-4 or above"? My answer remains, NO. USCG has many positions where law enforcement is the primary role and not a collateral duty, per se. The personnel within USCG whose primary role is law enforcement should be given proper l/e credentials; ie. "U.S. Coast Guard Maritime Law Enforcement.

Ret. Sgt Rick Kaufmann, M @ 3/29/2014 3:34 PM

Great series (most) of comments. I "founded", wrote, got official approval, and taught Maryland's LEOSA course at its inception until I retired in 2013. I carry everywhere except Federal property. No problems. Maryland absolutely respects LEOSA as long as you are sober and carrying LEOSA credentials. If you either retired as a MD LE with retiree ID,, or reside here with your out of state retiree ID, your agency in MD or the Maryland Police Training Commission will re-qualify you and issue your ID. Maryland police are NOT antigun and respect LEOSA. SGT (RET) RICK KAUFMANN.

ol' sarge @ 3/31/2014 2:18 AM

Although I don't know Ret. Sgt. Kaufmann, I completely agree with his post. I am a Ret. Sgt. myself, from a MD municipal agency (31 years). I have never heard of any retired or out-of-state officer being arrested who had a valid LEOSA permit. I also have a valid MD handgun permit as well as my LEOSA permit and most retired officers I know carry both permits. That is based on the premis that if you miss your yearly LEOSA range date, your at least covered in-state until you can get requalified. For those who have problems getting ID, etc. I suggest you look into getting a FL CCW. I used to have one before LEOSA as my parents retired to FL. FL didn't require you to live in FL and had reciprocity agreements with a number of other states. So if you live in the southeast or visit there, you may want to consider that option.

Howard @ 4/3/2014 1:36 PM

USCG Petty Officers and above ARE federal LEO's according to the CCF.

Howard @ 4/3/2014 1:39 PM

USCG enlisted Petty Officers and above, including officers are Federal Law Enforcement Officers according to the Code of Federal Regulations, the books the Coast Guard use most frequently. 12 year veteran.

Charles Rall @ 4/6/2014 10:25 AM

Retired LEOs who are in compliance with LEOSA should be able to legally carry on federal property and like myself I am retired LEO and Military should legally be permitted to carry on military installations

Bruce Wilson @ 4/6/2014 8:06 PM

If you ask REP. KEITH ELLISON (D-MN), this genius thinks we should just get rid of the 2nd amendment. How do these pathetic communistic liberals get elected??? Of course they don't want any guns in the hands of citizens; that will make it easier for the commi troops to take over.

We have arrived at a society that is driven by slimy politicians, joined at the hip by slimy lawyers, and supported by a slimy, mega rich Media that literally get away with name it and claim it as their only requisite for governing the lives of the very citizens that got them where they are--we bare the cost of their insanity.

The media has literally elected our last several Presidents; yack away with all kinds of false rhetoric long enough and a bunch of thoughtless souls will run to the poles armed with their votes...

Where are all the intelligent votersWHERE ARE THEY???

Why are we not saturating public forums with real, known, factual statistics showing gun deaths -vs- senseless car crashes?

robert @ 4/7/2014 11:04 PM

I retired as a deputy sheriff in 2001 with 25 years of service here in dallas county,texas.i was stopped in a small town in another county neary for speeding.yes I was speeding 70 in a 65.i informed the officer I had a gun and he went nuts. he cuffed me and placed me in the squad car.i had my dl,retired id,dept carry license and dept retired id..he made my wife stand in the cold weather while he called for backup and searched my car.he found my shoulder rig and laid everything on the hood. next a supervisor was called. all this time and my wife was still standing in the cold.the supervisor stuck his head in the car and ask me why I thought I had the right to be carrying the gun.i repeated the laws to him and made sure he saw all my id's. he said he had never heard of that law. he called my old agency to verify who I was ad to check on the law.even after it was explained to him he repeated he had never heard of that law. I told him the law was printed on the carry id in my badge case.

robert @ 4/7/2014 11:04 PM

I retired as a deputy sheriff in 2001 with 25 years of service here in dallas county,texas.i was stopped in a small town in another county neary for speeding.yes I was speeding 70 in a 65.i informed the officer I had a gun and he went nuts. he cuffed me and placed me in the squad car.i had my dl,retired id,dept carry license and dept retired id..he made my wife stand in the cold weather while he called for backup and searched my car.he found my shoulder rig and laid everything on the hood. next a supervisor was called. all this time and my wife was still standing in the cold.the supervisor stuck his head in the car and ask me why I thought I had the right to be carrying the gun.i repeated the laws to him and made sure he saw all my id's. he said he had never heard of that law. he called my old agency to verify who I was ad to check on the law.even after it was explained to him he repeated he had never heard of that law. I told him the law was printed on the carry id in my badge case.

robert @ 4/7/2014 11:04 PM

I retired as a deputy sheriff in 2001 with 25 years of service here in dallas county,texas.i was stopped in a small town in another county neary for speeding.yes I was speeding 70 in a 65.i informed the officer I had a gun and he went nuts. he cuffed me and placed me in the squad car.i had my dl,retired id,dept carry license and dept retired id..he made my wife stand in the cold weather while he called for backup and searched my car.he found my shoulder rig and laid everything on the hood. next a supervisor was called. all this time and my wife was still standing in the cold.the supervisor stuck his head in the car and ask me why I thought I had the right to be carrying the gun.i repeated the laws to him and made sure he saw all my id's. he said he had never heard of that law. he called my old agency to verify who I was ad to check on the law.even after it was explained to him he repeated he had never heard of that law. I told him the law was printed on the carry id in my badge case.

robert @ 4/7/2014 11:08 PM

just to finish up earlier story.he was still not convinced the law existed.he took me to his station with the cuffs still on and let my wife drive the car.i sat in a cell for about 45 minutes when he cam and told me the misinformation was cleared and I could go. never once did anyone ever apologize to me or my wife.before I left I stated they owed my wife an apology.they just stared as we walked out the door.this happened in a county next to the one where I worked for 25 years.there is no excuse for this but it clearly shows not all are aware of the laws that exist

Old Cop @ 4/18/2014 12:21 PM

I retired in '97 w/30 yrs. service from a mid size PD in VA and qualify annually for my LEOSA creds. I mind my own business and go about armed w/my small .38 like I've done most of my adult life. Some of the experiences related here w/retired officers being arrested for legally carrying are VERY concerning. I'm very discreet when carrying and the only way anyone would know about my weapon is if I needed to employ it in an emergency, or if stopped by an officer and asked. I'm really not sure what I would do under some of the circumstances posted here and can only hope I continue to go about my business unmolested.

Dave Sobley @ 4/26/2014 1:10 PM

Why make fire Extinguishers?

Tim R @ 4/30/2014 4:29 PM

One comment/correction...DOD has issued the new instruction (DODI 5525.12) on LEOSA for military personnel, dated February 13, 2014. The services are now writing and publishing their implementation directives. The Air Force Security Forces has published their manual and are in the process of implementing the card issue process and identifying a contractor to handle that. The Air Force OSI have not yet published their new/updated instructions. Don't know about the other services.

Cliff @ 5/1/2014 9:07 AM

many of the posts support the article's statement that many people are basing their beliefs about LEOSA on scuttlebutt and rumors. Barbusin, your official tile is Special police Officer. Yes, you are considered police, but look at your own personnel records or job description at DGS to see your official job title. The DoD has issued guidance ad the subordinate agencies are preparing their policies and procedures to issue retired identification. I live in maryland, am a retired AFOSI Special Agent and former local prosecutor, and carry under LEOSA with no problem. Yes the law needs to be amended to provide protection when traveling through GFSZs. In Maryland, if you have a CCW you are exempt of the GFSZ provisions, so it makes no sense not to include LEOSA permit holders to be exempt as well. You may still eb able to make an argument that it does, because the law states that the exemption applies to someone who has met the requirements for carrying a concealed weapon of the state

Detective Mike Ellioitt R @ 5/4/2014 4:36 PM

If you were on the JOB working as a Police Officer, Detective, Sgt, Etc, Etc you are a Cop. There are to many Yah HOOH Buffs out there, that worked part time doing traffic details that think they need to carry a gun. I don't carry a gun all the time, because it's a pain in the ass. I arrested over 500 felons and assisted on thousands of other while working in one of the most dangerous place in the country the 46 Pct in the Bronx. This place was one Square mile with over 300,000 people living there. In the late 80's early 90's when crack was all the rage, we would have almost 100 homicides a year. Also the two of the adjoining the 44 Pct 2 Sqaure miles and the 34 Pct 6 square miles had 98 and the 34 had about 135. This is in one little area of the city. These were violent gun toting MFK'ers who almost always fought when apprehended. I'm not trying to pit people down, put if you weren't some kind of Street cop working, there is no need for you to be carrying a gun.

Retired Chief @ 5/7/2014 6:33 AM

Someone asked, who would arrest a fellow officer. Well try South Carolina and Florida cops. These redneck cops don't believe in the "brotherhood."

retired chief @ 5/7/2014 6:40 AM

SnoCop, US federal laws pertain only to US cops. Sorry

SFShep @ 5/20/2014 7:25 AM

What is the case name for the QRLEO arrested in NYC while passing through a GFSZ? Has it gone to trial yet or been dismissed? I'd like to follow up on it's progress.

Exfed @ 5/28/2014 10:29 PM

This whole thing is nuts NYC thinks guns are only for NYC cops...

Mitch @ 5/30/2014 6:42 AM

I was a civilian police officer before getting called to AD as a reservist and remained in the military as a MP. So I retired as an MP not as a civilian LEO, some states have allowed former military police officers to provide copies of their DD214 to prove their previous assignments and qualified them under LEOSA. Michigan and NC being two of these states but that seems a little muddy to me.

USCG LEO @ 5/30/2014 8:59 AM

Something to think about with the regard to the CG CAC. According to 14USC89, Petty Officers, Commissioned Officers, and Warrant Officer are LEOs. It will say on the CAC whether the member is one of the above members or a Civilian, Contractor, or someone below those mentioned ranks. So this shouldn't be an issue.

The CG has specifically outlined who does and does not qualify under HR218, and only requires the member to carry his/her CAC to prove who they are.

I think a major issue here is ego. Certain LEOs feel as though since they have accomplished xyz in their career, they should be the only ones who have the right to defend themselves off duty. If you're the type of guy that looks for reasons to lock up fellow LEOs, you may be more insecure than accomplished. And that ego is a symptom of insecurity, not accomplishment.

This law was written to be inclusive, not exclusive. At the end of the day, law or no law, there was a time you didn't lock up fellow LEOs for CCW, I think they called it professional courtesy.

Localyokel @ 5/31/2014 11:23 AM

Private institution police officers (private universities, including MIT and the such), are not protected under LEOSA b/c they do not work for a "gov't agency" as the law reads. So, even though some of us have come across the dirtbags we deal with out of state, it doesn't matter. The law was amended for amtrak and such as a courtesy by the feds, but still no protections for some others. This is even after an MIT officer was shot and killed by terrorists. Some of us have to volunteer at other agencies just so we can have that protection.

Harry Ballas @ 6/4/2014 6:29 AM

I first obtained my 218 permit in Pa in 2010. Prior to that the state would not even aknowledge it. I was told by my certification instructor thet I would need a LEOSA qualification card each for semi-auto and revolver. That would mean paying twice the $50 fee required in PA. I have been recently told that this is not correct, that both types of handguns can be covered on the same permit, This article clarified my question regarding this issue. Thanks.

Weedandseedcop @ 6/5/2014 11:16 AM

I've got 9-years in on a PD near Chicago that doesn't issue photo ID's (by statute, IL considers the badge sufficient police ID). And when it comes to out-of-town cops passing through (especially at a transit station) my LT tells us, "star or shield, a badge is a badge." But since the badge alone isn't legit for LEOSA, we're SOL... especially when traveling, huh? Like others have said, there used to be a level of professional courtesy in this business. How and why did that change??? Similarly, I used to hear guys say, "Better tried by 12 than carried by 6," but I wouldn't dare trust a jury in this day and age. The whole LEOSA thing seems to be raising more questions than answers. I never in my life would have imagined that, as a cop, I'd need to get a CCW permit to carry my service weapon off duty and/or out of state. Like other have said, I for one wouldn't hassle any cop (current or retired) for carrying, unless s/he's doing something completely stupid, giving me no choice.

Free Man @ 6/12/2014 8:44 AM

I'm an active LEO in Kentucky. I served our country as a U.S.Marine because I felt it was my duty as a young American. I've been through two police academy's. Last year I called the Baltimore State Police and the local S.O. before driving my son to his college. They both told me NO! That I wasn't allowed to carry at all. Of course I did what I had to. Welcome to the Divided States of America! Brother or not, your not taking my gun, or my rights as an America. If you try, you become the bad guy as far as I'm concerned.

CNS @ 6/12/2014 2:43 PM

I work for a federal agency. My position description defines me as "law enforcement". I have to meet the same basic training in firearms, am authorized by my agency to carry a firearm, and must meet the agency requirement to requalify. I fall under FERS Law Enforcement Retirement, however the position does not have powers of arrest. Under FERS description, law enforcement includes "those that provide protection to government officials" Does this position meet the LEOSA requirements for active or retired. I have carried my issued weapon for over 20 years on the job.

Bobby @ 6/20/2014 11:24 AM

Dt Mike Elliot, so the guy who worked 20 on Rikers shouldn't be able to carry? Or the guy who worked in Mayberry, had a takehome and everyone for 3 counties knew who he was and where he lives shouldn't be able to defend himself. Gimme a break.

Marc @ 7/16/2014 6:27 PM

Do Federal Law Enforcement Officers - like NSA Police, FBI and etc. - who resided in Maryland - get to carry when off-duty and into retirement?

Do retired NSA Police Officers or even retired FBI officers/agents qualify that go after criminals for the LEOSA? Just wondering about Federal Law Enforcement Officers. NSA Police. in particular

Alan @ 7/21/2014 8:28 PM

I was interested in the KY officer that was told not to carry in Baltimore. Was that Maryland or somewhere else? Also, in my 35 years in law enforcement, including the 10 months of retirement before landing my current LE job, I carried everywhere and never had an issue pre and post LEOSA. In fact, when I talked to some NYPD guys during a visit, they told me I was crazy if I did not carry. There are always exceptions to the rule. A NJ trooper arrested an off duty officer that stopped to help him subdue a combative suspect. A NC officer arrested a Fairfax Va officer for carrying on a routine traffic stop for speeding when the Va. officer let him know he was an LEO and armed. (Charges dropped) These were pre-LEOSA. The only issue that I have ever had was a store security guard telling me that I couldn't carry a gun in the store (I was in uniform). There needs to be specific exemptions in LEOSA, especially private property an gun free zones.

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Gene @ 7/30/2014 7:37 AM

I sure wish more information on Auxiliary, Reserve, Volunteer LEO's in relation to LEOSA would be put forward. All my readings, and even case law from San Fransisco make it clear LEOSA covers such and income for LEO services is not required for LEOSA coverage. In our department we are fully sworn, state certified, twice a year qualification required, in service state regulated training cycle, arrest powered, radar/laser certified etc...etc... etc.... BUT told by our range staff that LEOSA does NOT apply to us since we are not salaried..... they are wrong..... more information needs to be submitted to these agencies that do not understand the law.

Jim RetUSA/DAV @ 8/1/2014 6:20 AM

why doesn't the NRA take them on and get it done so they can issue Retired Military card. Could just take the regular ID card and put statement on it! ("Right to Carry" or Retired Law Enforcement" - not rocket science - unless your name is Kerry).

SFShep @ 8/2/2014 5:00 PM

I agree with you Gene. More definitive info needs to be put out on whether or not Reserves/Auxiliary officers can carry off duty. I've applied for my California CCW just to be safe but I still feel uncertain carrying out of state for fear some cop who doesn't know about what Reserve Officers are or who thinks they are not full peace officers (like for example NYPD Auxiliary Officers) might do.

On that note, to Alan, that example you gave of a NJ trooper arresting an off duty LEO who helped him subdue an offender, do you have an article on that incident? I grew up in NJ and sometimes visit. This would be pertinent information for me to know.

Louis @ 8/4/2014 3:27 AM

Looking at the San Fran GFSZ map reminds me of playing a bad game of Minesweeper. Step on the wrong curb and BOOM!! straight to prison!

In fact there are areas that it is impossible to pass into, or out of, without violating a GFSZ. Zoom in to the corner of Filmore St. & Post St, and you literally have only a portion of 3 buildings that are exempt. Hope the bathrooms aren't in the back of the store!

Joe @ 8/5/2014 8:29 PM

Where do you obtain the identification showing your a retired Leo from military

Thor Odinson @ 8/19/2014 12:42 PM

What constitutes a LEOSA endorsement on an ID. My last department issues no endorsement or ID to retired agents upon retirement. Wasn't the photo requirement part of the 2013 amendment? Query to DOJ as to who administers LEOSA regs led to them referring me to NRA-ILA...strange. Most answers to questions (but not mine) are online if you go to the Law Enforcement NRA website (Google for website link). DOJ relies on NRA to provide most info on this law enacted 2004, amended 2010 and amended again 2013--very strange. Poorly drafted and ignored by most PD's. Maybe because it's a federal law.

Might try BATF for guidance as DOJ has nothing. Thor

PS I don't think even Police Magazine will recognize only a badge (or image of one faxed to them) as documentation you were a LEO--better have an ID! Thor

George Burns @ 8/24/2014 7:01 AM

I retired from Dept of the Army in 95'. At that time, I was issued a retired ID from our Provost Marshal as a courtesy. Since LEOSA broadened it's inclusion to UCMJ personnel, DOD is scambling to come up with a uniformed ID for all branches. Based on my ID, TN POST helped me process my LEOSA app and I was their test case. Having been in three situations with local LEOs and identifying myself and informing the ofc I was armed and had a LEOSA ID... there was NO problem, and I was thanked for being upfront about it. Show respect and you normally are shown respect. Show your ass, and you're liable to have it handed to you; cuffed-stuffed-bagged-dragged and booked. The use of common sense goes a LONG ways in the LEOSA scenario.

Fedcop21 @ 8/26/2014 7:55 PM

I have a pistol that is registered in Georgia and I reside in New York. I am a Federal Police officer for the Veterans Affairs Police. My question is can I carry under 218? I continue to get different stories up here. Some say I am covered and some say that since it is registered in Georgia by law I have to get a pistol permit. Can anyone clarify?

Kevin @ 9/1/2014 11:29 AM

I worked 25 years in a small department. I retired 7 years ago and just decided to get my cards and qualifications. When reading the law you must meet the qualifications that your department requires if they are qualifying you. I had to qualify with my .40 cal and my .380 cal if I want to carry either one. The federal law does not require me to but the department I worked for did. The federal law gives them that right. My department issues a retirement ID along with a signed letter that we have qualified in the last 12 months, Dates Shown, under their requirements. Our range instructor was someone from the Sheriff's Dept. My qualification card will be the same size as my retirement ID and kept together. I do not plan on carrying unless I am out on trips or camping. If I do it will just be kept in the vehicle. If you never have to use it no one should know you have it unless you are asked by another officer on a traffic stop. Be safe, watch each others backs where ever u are.

Ken @ 9/1/2014 11:09 PM

There are certainly some serious issues with LEOSA. My agency "LAPD" has refused to issue my retired badge and I.D. card until I turn 50 years old, as that is when my pension starts, even though I signed an irrevocable deferred retirement with them. After retiring from LAPD I worked as a commissioned Deputy Sheriff in Louisiana for a year. I was given that I.D. card, however it is expired.

Below is the amendment to the statue,

QRLEOs carry a photographic ID "that identifies the person as having been employed as a police or law enforcement officer."

With that said I have an expired I.D. card that identifies me as having been employed as a law enforcement officer. I also carry documents that prove I have worked over 22 years as a sworn officer. I believe i meet the statue as it is written.
What bullshit you spend most of your life as a Police Officer, and the very agencies you work for don't have your back, by simply issuing you an I.D. card. I am gonna carry!

USCG LEO Ret @ 9/7/2014 2:01 PM

I retired from the USCG as a Maritime Enforcement Specialist 1st Class. My last billet was with one of the few CGPD's. Before I retired I got all my ducks in a row to help me get through the LEOSA maze and comply with my local and state (NY) requirements.
I now have, a)NYS CCW w/retired Federal LEO designator permit b)NYS licensed Armed Guard credentials c)a LEOSA credential (for what it's worth).
I'm hoping that should keep me covered. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Larry Wehage @ 9/15/2014 9:34 AM

Retired law enforcement. Have photo ID that allows CCW. Have HR 218 card.
I asked Cal BSIS to answer this question: Can a retired ofcr open carry as a volunteer at a City sponsored event? Neither of the 2 Cal BSIS (Consumer Affairs bureau that governs security officers, etc.) associates could answer the question.....any thoughts with written confirmation of the answer?
Thanks and Be Safe.....

ROBERT SHARPE SR @ 9/17/2014 4:10 PM

I served with Active AF and AFR Security Police from 1972-1981. I'm currently listed as PDAV. I was reading about 926C LEOSA Credential and wondering if I was able to apply for one and if so would I also have to have a State CC permit for my State...and would I need that before applying for the 926...Also I was wondering because the cost for State CC course are so outrageous and some people like myself are limited income and have had substantial weapons training in the service and I've also worked as weapons instruction at my local state range for a few years... would that intitle me to any kind of discount in fees...any help you can assist me with will be greatly appreciated... thanks

Jim @ 9/23/2014 6:44 AM

New jersey stops issuing a Retired Police Officer's permit to carry card after age 75. Does HR218 protect and cover that officer who at age 76, qualifies semi annually and carries a concealed weapon in New jersey?

Raleigh Measom @ 10/7/2014 2:44 PM

Retiring 31 of this month was Texas Constable 25 years in office will have County I'd card reading name title years of service (Honorably Retired) also range card will I need any thing else ?

phil hunter @ 10/10/2014 6:54 AM

My dept will not let us shoot with them stating that the city will not allow it due to the libality if we should get injured at the range. What is a retired officer to do ?

Spencer Straka @ 10/13/2014 5:20 PM

Ok. I have a very important question. I plan on going through a police academy when I am 18, and get employed with a department as an 18 year old.(Hopefully) My question is, can an off-duty fully qualified law enforcement officer carry off duty, if the state law says you must be 21 years old to be in legal possession of a concealed firearm?

Dan @ 10/15/2014 5:21 AM

Raleigh: not sure you can do anything except file a lawsuit seeking to mandamus the department to follow the law.

Spencer: I began my LE career in 1969 at age 19 in a large Texas city. Had to get someone 21 to buy my bullets and pistol until I turned 21. Many other guys On the dept were in the same boat. I never knew of any agency that hired at age 18. There may be an exception in various state laws to get around the age 21 requirement but it didn't help me buy bullet or a pistol. It may be that your police ID and discretion afforded to LEO's resulted in no one being arrested at age 19 or 20. Consult an attorney for better advice.

self007 @ 10/15/2014 9:48 PM

Is a constable in nj covered under leosa

Spencer Straka @ 10/16/2014 8:15 AM

Dan: I really appreciate the advice. I know the LEOSA exempts over any state law. I want to become an officer in MI in about a year, after I complete the academy. Law here is, you must be 21 to carry concealed. I mainly just wish to be able to protect myself off duty, whether it be by concealed, or open carry. Just need to figure this out because it has been bugging me for a couple of weeks, and I still have found no answer. Thanks again.
-Spencer Straka

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Edward Markiewicz @ 10/27/2014 3:09 PM

Would a retired PA State Corrections Office/Counselor, or any Corrections Officer from any state, qualify for LEOSA? You mentioned Federal Bureau of Prisons. How about State Departments of Corrections? Thank you

andrew wiley @ 11/3/2014 12:40 AM

I am a Special Police Officer for Disctict of Columbia(Washington,DC) Would I qualify under LEOSA?

Mike dyer @ 11/3/2014 8:34 AM

I am an honorably discharged U.S. NAVY VIETNAM VET....I have a question about the information given on your DD-214..there really is no description of the TEMP DUTIES/assignments we ARMED FORCES POLICE, SHORE PATROL AND
PRISONER/BRIG transfer assignments...there is NO notes in the DD-214 that states thats what training you had....
In MICHIGAN, I'd like to be exempt from limited CCW/CPL. Because of the experience that I've had....just little too old now to go for MCOLS, but not too old to take care of situations lawfully when necessary....anyone with information, please e-mail me or answer back via this post, thanks

Josh @ 11/6/2014 3:32 PM

I am a ky corrections officer. Do I qualify, also do you recommend keeping a copy of the law with me?

JM @ 11/7/2014 4:41 PM

My story is similar to others. After 20-years LE service in 1990 I retired and switched to City Manager of an agency where I was Police Chief. I had issues with the professionalism of the Assistant Chief and went outside for a new Chief. Then moved on to full retirement (collecting LE and CM retirement) in California. When LEOSA passed I contacted the agency attempting to have an ID issued and qualify with them. The Assistant Chief I passed over was now Chief. He refused to issue the LEOSA ID even though he has issued it for other former officers with less time in service than I.

We should have a State or Federal Agency (or even County Sheriff) that can verify our service through background check, or POST certifications, and eliminate the prejudice, ill will and or personal bias that occurs in obtaining the appropriate ID card.

Dave B @ 11/10/2014 5:10 AM

Retired from a CA Police Agency with full rights, ID card and Badge. I qualified HR 218 on 2011, however have since moved to VA and won't be going back to CA. Who is authorized to qaulify me in Stafford VA for the purposes of HR 218? My Ca Department is good with it as long as it's a cerified course and instructor. Can anyone please advise?

Gray P @ 11/11/2014 2:52 PM

i qualify under this law.... someone please tell me where I go for my permit in the state of Arkansas. Please tell me who is authorized to qualify Arkansas LEO's

NB @ 11/12/2014 1:26 PM

ref. NJ comment by Jim, Retired leo's DON'T need a NJ carry permit PERIOD. You ARE covered by LEOSA to carry in ALL states. and have been since the law was passed in 2002. NJ is just SCREWING retired leo's out of $50. a yr for a card they DON'T need.

Biff Blendon @ 11/13/2014 3:51 PM

Google "Augustine Kim" and the hell DCPD put him through, then realize you're only "safe" in your own ballpark where you know the active LEOs personally. Everything else is a crap-shoot, and you're nothing more than a suspect to them these days. Professional courtesy died 20 years ago. Arrests = promotion and good reviews, regardless of means or method. Growing up, every boy I knew wanted to be one of three things -- a policeman, a fireman, or an astronaut. Today?

Kenneth Ellman @ 11/14/2014 6:20 PM

November 14, 2014
From Kenneth Ellman,
The above January 17, 2014 LEOSA article by James M. Baranowski is a useful and valuable summary of the law. A book can easily be written about the LEOSA statute, its implementation, State and Federal litigation and State by State recognition. Anyone who seeks reliable education on this legal question should and must read all the case law and all future litigation. It would also be valuable to read all the Pleadings and Memorandum of Law. I may post such on my website for easy access. So far it consists of thousands of pages. A cursory reading of 14 U.S. Code § 89 leaves no doubt to me that the Coast Guard is a Police Department and its enforcement Officers are Police Officers in the general sense of that term. Are there been ANY cases to the contrary? I do not understand why anyone questions the status of the Coast Guard. Thanks for this interesting discussion. Kenneth Ellman,

Wink @ 11/17/2014 11:15 PM

I stumbled on this. Hopefully it helps some of you out! basically a pdf that tells if your agency is covered...

J. Holland @ 12/1/2014 4:10 PM

I am a 25 year retired Florida Correctional Officer Lieutenant. We have to qualify annually with department issued firearms. Upon escapes from our facilities, we are charged to "Apprehend" the escapee in the public while carrying department issued firearms. Upon retiring, I received my I.D. and badge. Do I qualify under LEOSA?

Robert @ 12/17/2014 6:59 AM

Unless it has changed ALCOAST 549/10
COMDTNOTE 16200 clarifies Coast Guard's relation to LEOSA. It breaks down to be basically you have none. Everything about CG LE has to do with at sea and waterways or fleeing to land felons IF you are ordered by your CO/LEO on scene and hold an LE order from the CO. Now, CG missions have expanded due to Homeland Security agency consolidation (finally) so some may have expanded way beyond "on waterways" but even then there is still a CO. The CG has incredibly strict control over LE and firearms which I think accounts for the stellar lack of CG LE injuries on both sides (of course it would be stupid to argue with a boarding team when a cutters 76 capablee of blowing them to kingdom come is backing them up). So in conclusion, based on the referenced comdtnote, no, despite the INTENTION of the Bush law, the CG anyway does not recognize LEOSA. Bush did a lot of things with common sense INTENTION for national security, but legalize as we know shatters it

USCG @ 12/31/2014 10:38 PM

As a petty officer with the Coast Guard Iam designated a federal law enforcement officer. Anyone with the rank of petty officer (E-4) or above is considered a federal law enforcement officer by the Coast Guard even though my rate in the Coast Guard does not directly relate to LE. How does that relate to the LEOSA or has the LEOSA go right out the window?

Paul @ 1/2/2015 10:15 AM

Thanks Wink for that URl of authorized agencies!!I am a peace officer in NY
(Yuck!). I'll check with our town attourney to be sure but looks like we are
authorized also. Nice arrticle, but like soooo many thingd thre made it a terribly complicated law that should (meant) to be simple..

TERRY F. ZECH VAPD (RET) @ 1/4/2015 5:55 PM

This is why I have kept my CCW license current and will until I pass from this earth. I still work for a Federal LE Agency and will until I fully retire from there. I come in every morning and lock my private weapon in the armory and take it home every night. I have some people I arrested still coming to the facility for treatment and some have sworn vengeance on me so be it. Stay safe everyone.

Michael Smith @ 1/8/2015 10:01 AM

Why is this not extended to Correctional Officers? We have to deal with the crap that gets locked up in prison and we are in more close contact with criminals and gang members. We are targeted as much, if not more than, the police officers. Recently, hit orders have been placed on Correctional Officers by gangs. COs have been run off the road and shot at in the recent months. All law enforcement should be allowed to conceal carry without having to go to a class that is just another way for the states to collect money from us after we have given more to them than they have to us. I have to qualify every year to carry a weapon but I rarely have to carry one. I should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon no matter where I go because I run into ex cons every day, everywhere I go. Never had any problems with them but you never can tell if you are going to run into that one that carries a grudge against us.

Keith @ 1/13/2015 11:18 AM

I read over the PDF of authorized agencies and see that the Marine Corps LE and Criminal Investigative agencies are noticeably absent (e.g., Military Police/CID). Army, Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard are mentioned, but not the Marine Corps. As a retired 21 year Marine Corps CID & MP veteran, I find myself feeling unjustly left out.

Eddie @ 1/13/2015 11:58 PM

@Keith just wanted to let you know that current MP's and MCCLEP officers are given Credentials including CID agents in order to carry privately owned firearms, but MP's only are told by their command that they do not qualify under LEOSA even though they really do. It does not specify Army Air Force or Navy although the Marines fall under the Navy it still states Militaty Or DOD police with UCMJ apprehension powers. But you being a Retiree you probably may not carry concealed due to the fact that you are not given creds and you have no ties to the military nor Law enforcement anymore.

Carl Grove @ 1/14/2015 4:27 PM

I retired after 25 years with the PA Dept. of Corrections we qualified each year for outside duties and for Special Teams, I also have PA act 235 permit for carrying for duty in public ie. Executive Protection, Body guard. Do I qualify for LEOSA??

EDH @ 1/20/2015 7:01 PM

Great statement of facts
Thank you

Scott @ 1/22/2015 3:38 PM

I am a Aux PO in NJ. We carry while on duty and have full arrest authority while on duty. We qualify 2 times per year, and have ID cards/badges that prove we are Aux POs. However, we have to lock our guns at the PD HQ after signing off duty. According to LEOSA, it would appear we have the right to carry off duty. But everyone I have spoken to tells me otherwise, stating the AG in NJ (Trenton) would never approve it, or that the NJSP state NJ laws supercede LEOSA (or any other US Federal Law). Do we or do we NOT have the right to carry under LEOSA in NJ??? Can someone please answer this? We put our lives in jeapordy while on duty, yet have no way to protect ourselves from the gangsters we arrest, etc while off duty. They tell us to call 911. Are you kidding me????

Matthew @ 1/23/2015 5:34 PM

I'm a reserve deputy sheriff in Indiana am I protected by the leosa?

Matthew @ 1/23/2015 5:45 PM

I'm an active reserve deputy am I covered by leosa

NB @ 1/26/2015 4:28 PM

reference post from NB on 11/12/14. It SHOULD have read since the law was passed in 2004. (mis-strike)

Gman2064 @ 2/2/2015 11:57 AM

I am a retired PG County Maryland Police officer with a LEOSA issued card through my Police Department. Am I covered to Carry while vacationing in New York City?

Dave @ 2/3/2015 6:37 PM

With regards to the USCG. I believe the naysayers are missing the point.

Every USCG member over the rank of Petty Officer is authorized to PREVENT and DETECT violators of ANY law.

However you are quite right in that only a very select few Investigate, Prosecute, or Incarcerate violators.

Fortunately that subtle distinction does not matter under the LEOSA. Therefore the cook that was standing the bridge watch in the middle of the night, or even the guy/gal flying the drone from dry land is authorized under federal law to detect drug smugglers, foreign fishing in US restricted waters, etc... Without that authority bestowed on ALL of it's Petty Officers (and above) the Coast Guard simply would not be able to function.

It's all law enforcement baby! Just because they didn't kick in doors at 3am in a SWAT raid doesn't lessen their congressionally mandated (read statutory authority) missions.

Dave H. @ 2/6/2015 2:43 PM

Unfortunately, this law needs to be amended again and it will probably not be anytime soon unless it is brought to the attention of legislators and carried forward. It really does not protect any RLEO or Off Duty LEO from any CC law that is in affect in any state or local jurisdiction or on private property unless the state or local authorities deem it does and decide to grant you the privilege. It specifically states: (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of the law of any State or any political subdivision thereof., ... A totally worthless neutered piece of legislation to appease only with no protection whatsoever. Thankfully, many jurisdictions extend a professional courtesy. Beware of the ones that don't or you're the next test case.

Darren @ 2/23/2015 9:21 AM

I have news for all the CG dudes on here. I know all are capable, but 18USC89A gives you authority on the water, not concealed carry or carrying in a vehicle. Only the CGIS dudes who have the 95 Authority are eligible to do it. You all not sworn law enforcement officers like CGIS. Additionally, the boarding officer schools does not provide training in vehicle stops, concealed carry, credentials, and applicable training. CG HQ needs to provide training, credential those who prove themselves and complete TS background checks. All you holster sniffing boys who want to carry off-duty join CGIS or get out and become police officers.

CDK @ 2/23/2015 1:20 PM

Retired in 1984 on disability from PD in NYC and moved to Florida in 1988.I wear my same .38 FROM THE JOB that I had only to the grocery store because of the large crowds. The TERROR stuff if it is going to go down will be in there or the airport terminal. Do your self a favor and for the other things that go on; your better off without it. Take it where the probability is high. In some of the other crap that goes on, your in a better situation by just moving on home. Be glad that the hormones are a little low. If you have used it before, don't use it unless you really need it. With Gods grace you will not be a hot head and try to make up for lost time. Just make sure you are right if you let one go.

Spencer Straka @ 2/24/2015 7:55 AM

So I am 17 years old and plan on becoming a Trooper when I am 21. In the mean time, I hope work for corrections when I am 18. If the LEOSA applies to corrections officers, can an 18 year old corrections officer carry off duty? Please get back to me whenever you can. Thank you.

Brian @ 2/25/2015 5:47 AM

I have an issue with this law. Why aren't Correctional Officers added into the list of who can carry? We have to carry a weapon when we transport prisoners and protect court house and most of us also have concealed carry permits when we are off duty. I myself worked transportation department and had my carry pet it due to a few threats. But once I retired I was told that I could only get my permit renewed only if I had a threat against me within the last 3 years. So now if you think about it, the law says that those who threatened me has to stop because they say I can't get one because it's been to much time and they are now calm and won't hurt me. Either the laws need to allow Correcions officials to carry once we retired for life just like the police or put us under the LEOSA LAW.
CORRCTIONAL OFFICERS deal with prisoners on a daily basis and every day they work but police only deal with the bad guys on,y for s few hours a day. Not the same bad guys.

Don T. @ 2/26/2015 8:12 PM

One fact is for certain, some states (e.g., NYS, NJ, etc.) try to place their own spin on the impact of LEOSA. Much of LEOSA is in plain English language. However, the confusion continues.... After the State of California found itself handing over $40k - $70k in several cases, the State AG finally directed the LE agencies to stop arresting active and retired LEOs.

I always said that training was important to keep us out of trouble..., for the most part. However, deficient training (both pre- and in-service) may be more dangerous to active LEOs. Just read the law, and you will see that its not rocket science, and is set-forth relatively clearly.

David T @ 2/27/2015 12:03 PM

At Brian, the law actually states that CO's can carry.

BJS @ 3/1/2015 4:04 PM

Brian read it again.. . Some correction officers across the country do not have peace or police officer status powers of arrest on or off duty.

CGLEO @ 3/2/2015 8:21 PM

@Darren. There are so many things wrong with your comment that I'm not sure if you're ignorant to how HR218 is applied or if you are simply trolling.

Bob Durkis @ 3/3/2015 8:43 AM

I'm retired LEO from FL living in GA. Trouble locating any qualified instructor within a reasonable drive. (Most have a liability issue) I am going to carry and won't hesitate in protecting a victim. Atlanta is one of the highest homicide capitals and by firearms. I'm trusting an officer wouldn't book me if I was forced to react to save a life. It's a gamble but one I'm willing to skip the annual qualification requirement. By the way, in FL I was certified as a firearms instructor and likewise by the State of GA where I used to teach firearms classes to private security needing to work armed.

NRA ILA @ 3/3/2015 12:26 PM

The NRA recently started a LEOSA information site at
We have information from all 50 states as well as a way to send in comments and questions.

Terry Girouard @ 3/5/2015 5:16 PM

As an active Canadian LEO from Ontario, can I carry a handgun while travelling through the US?

bob durkis @ 3/12/2015 6:52 AM

I just solved my problem of finding a qualified firearms instructor to certify me under HR218.
I went to Probate Court in the county I reside in Georgia. I applied for a carry permit good for 5 years and @ NO charge (ordinarily 77.50). Courtesy of the County to retired LEO's. I'm sitting pretty and don't have to requalify every year at the range. Shooting is like riding a bike and like a bike, something you never forget how to do. When I get too old to feel comfortable in ccw, I'll put the pistol back in my nightstand.

Jake511 @ 3/12/2015 7:34 PM

Serious question: Many military also perform regular security forces/LE type assignments (armed) and exercise apprehension and detention authority without benefit of a LE title, rating or MOS.
Absent the formality of the designation, but with evidence of associated training and assignment, would this qualify under LEOSA?

kevin sedlak @ 3/14/2015 6:05 PM

I am retired with 15 years with the bop. My I'd says law enforcement officer on it. I qualify every 6 months by a new jersey state police firearms instructor. Need jersey requires you get a concealed weapons permit even though leosa says you don't have to go
Low state rules. The bop refuses to sign any concealed weapons permit application. So only the state I live in I can not carry under leosa even if I meet all the requirements except a stse concealed wepons permit. Can I just carry without a new jersey permit since I fall under federal law or do I risk getting arrested?

Pete Dreyer @ 3/15/2015 1:05 PM

kevin you are qualified with ID card from bop as retiree as long as it says law enforcement officer. You are required to qualify annually. Previous retirees at most facilities have organized qualification instructors and dates each year to requalify retirees at minimal cost. Check with some of these to see how and when they recertify.

scottie belue @ 3/15/2015 1:06 PM

I have a hard time understanding why any officer on-duty/patrol would question a off duty or retired LEO for carrying their ccw period. (Reguardless where they may be from) It may be that very off duty officer/retired officer that saves your rear end one day when a deadly force encounter happens.. i carry not only for me and my family protection, but for the protection for all. Your either a wolf, a sheep or the sheep dog at any given time...

Fred Vasconi @ 3/18/2015 2:35 AM

I retired in 2012 after serving 36 years as a State of Florida Probation & Parole Officer. My Retired ID card, from the Florida Depatment of Corrections, reads; "Retired Officer". My arrest power purview was limited to Probation/Parole violators. For seven years, I was TDY as a Special Deputy U.S. Marshal, serving on a Fugitive Task Force. When asked if our Officers qualified to be SDUM's, the DOJ attorney asked one question; "Do they have powers of arrest". I/we of course did and we were sworn in by the U.S. Marshal for the Middle District of Fla. No mention here about Probation & Parole Officers in the LEOSA. I was threatend plenty of times by felons that I arrested and put back in prison. Just thought I'd add this thread for all of us whose job is to supervise criminals.

Keith569 @ 3/21/2015 12:39 PM

Most of the answers to the questions can be found by simply reading the law pertaining to HR 218 and the recent amendments. I think some of the Coast Guard folks are being misinformed. To make it clear to everyone, the current law states LEOSA covers the "qualified LEO" and qualified retired LEO". To be an active or retired "qualified law enforcement officer", one must have had the authority to arrest or apprehend. The DOD has components have been instructed to establish their own service programs (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps and Coast Guard) to issue LEOSA credentials to those personnel meeting those standards. A CAC card does not meet the legal requirement. The agency issued ID must indicate the holder is an active, retired/separated qualified LEO. Remember, the issuing agency is responsible how they determine who is a qualified LEO in accordance with POST, etc. Not all Coast Guard personnel, regardless of rank of E-4 or higher will qualify. They simply are not LEO.

Keith569 @ 3/21/2015 12:55 PM

Not to say the Coast Guard is not great at what they do. They seize more drugs than all other agencies combined. They are very professional and are essential to not only anti-drug operations, but anti-piracy, search and rescue, etc. They simply do not (not all) meet the spirit and intent nor the legal definition of a qualified LEO. A CAC card does not meet the credentialing requirement either. Currently, the Air Force Security Forces and the Air Force Office of Special Investigations issues a credential identifying their respective LEO's as "qualified LEO's" in accordance with the legal requirement. Carrying a concealed weapon and producing only a military CAC card as a permit would more often than not get you arrested. As a current 18 year LEO myself, and prior Air Force SP, I would do everything I could do to give the benefit of the doubt to the Coastie (call the command, verify, etc.), but most LEO's would not see it that way, especially ones without a military background.

Keith569 @ 3/21/2015 1:14 PM

Kevin Sedlak, thanks for your service. I was reading your post and have a question for you. When you retired/separated from the BOP, did you have arrest authority? Not to be confused with internally conducting investigations within the prison, for administratively punishing/taking privileges from prisoners or detention. If you had statutory powers to apprehend or arrest as a sworn law enforcement officer and your retired ID issued by your agency says police officer or law enforcement officer, special agent, criminal investigator, etc, then, my understanding of the current law suggests you should be covered. I am no expert, however, I consulted with several agencies, some NRA SME's and government lawyers while preparing guidance to provide advice to a FOP chapter in my state. You would think the law would be written to cover personnel like yourself and others who deal with "bad people" who have nothing to do but think what they will do, and to whom when they get out of prison.

Watchur6 @ 3/21/2015 9:16 PM

I had to punch my card early due to an on-duty injury from a CA agency. I was a municipal PD officer with full powers of arrest. When I left, I did not get the CCW endorsed retirement ID, just the regular one. My former agency won't qualify me for my firearm and I want to have the option to carry under LEOSA. I understand that I have to qualify in my own state before applying for LEOSA permit, right? What are my options? Thanks for any feedback. To all my current and former LEO brothers and sisters - be safe!

bob durkis @ 3/22/2015 5:44 AM

Solved my inability to qualify to comply with HR218 in GA because the majority of agencies don't want the liability. Went to my county Probate Court and obtained a carry permit good for 5 yrs and renewable. They waved the fee because of former LEO status. They annual qualifying requirement is a pain, ESP since I've been a certified firearms instructor since my retirement and have trained security officers who were qualifying for their carry permit. Once you learn how to ride a bike you never forget. When I get too old to carry I will retire my firearm to my nightstand.

Sgt GC @ 3/22/2015 6:58 PM

I am a retired officer from Baltimore and have my LEOSA permit. I don't know of any officers in Maryland that don't know or understand this law or that would arrest an officer or retired officer for carrying in our state for no good apparent reason. I noticed a lot of questions from individuals about whether or not they qualify to carry. The best think to do is read the law HR 218 it is very clear. I don't believe that no special police officers or retired special police officer qualify under HR 218, because I believe your powers of arrest are very limited to while on duty and restricted to a specific location. But the best thing is to consult your department policy and legal advisor.

The Deadpool @ 3/28/2015 5:52 PM

OK, so this is rather complex but here goes. I served over 4 years in the US Navy and for 4 years I was a Security Forces "Security Policeman". I went through a basic academy, and advanced training had apprehension powers etc. After that enlistment, I joined the National Guard. I served as an infantryman for 5 years, however this particular state granted LEO arrest powers via statute to all members, additionally I performed direct LEO duties after Hurricane Katrina. After that enlistment, I went on active duty in the regular Army. I was medically retired.
My reading of it makes me think I might qualify, in that, I had apprehension and arrest authority at various times in my military career AND I was medically retired, so the less than ten years aggregate LEO years doesn't apply?
So, do I qualify u dear LEOSA?

J Ramirez @ 4/7/2015 11:27 PM

I just retired w/27 years as a second line supervisor with ICE as a supervisory agent, I just bought a new SIG SP2022 40 cal. will be moving out of liberal California to Austin Tx, I have my retired credentials, badge and LEOSA ID card. Will have a problem transporting my weapon to Texas

Tim @ 4/22/2015 9:43 PM

I am a Marine Corps Military Policeman with issued credentials that has my photo on it and a badge identifying me as an accredited member of the Marine Corps Law Enforcement Community but my department says we can't carry under LEOSA because of the Posse Comitatus Act. Sounds like bullshit to me because Air Force Security Forces are able to.

Anthony @ 4/27/2015 5:05 PM

My department has decided that they are denying retirement credentials to carry a weapon to any officer who has not completed 15 years of service with the department. When hired there was no mandatory retirement but in the past five years a mandatory retirement was adopted. I will be forced to leave my department with 14 years and 6 months; is their any recourse.

Robert @ 4/29/2015 11:33 PM

I'm an active full time peace officer with my pc832 arrest/firearm permit. Can I get in any trouble if I conceal carry with my qualification card not being upto date by 2-3 weeks?

rick @ 5/4/2015 5:51 PM

I retired from correcctions, worked two city police depths,can I leagally carry conceal or open carry. Kansas

Coby @ 5/24/2015 2:47 PM

I am a retired police officer of 20 years and I think that that LEOSA should be done away with and hopefully soon. I am from Ohio and I support US Sen. John Cornyn of Texas with a national universal conceal carry reciprocity agreement in all 50 states. If you have a conceal weapons permit from your state, it will be good in all states. A conceal carry permit should be accepted just like our driver's license.

Edward Ostolaza @ 5/31/2015 3:08 PM

I was US Army MP 05/75 to 07/78 and went to worker for VAMC PD 02/88 to 09/89 also worker to DODPD 10/89 to 09/94 do I have same right as retired Law Enforcement Officer safety act to carry conceal weapons I have 9 years of service for Gov ok

John @ 7/3/2015 8:46 AM

Was LEO with US Customs until promoted to non LEO HQ slot.LEOSA as amended in 2010 and 2013 covers people with an aggregate of over 10 yrs as a LEO but did not necessarily retire as a LEO. DoD followed law and implemented policy allowing former LEO's who transitioned into other positions to qualify under LEOSA as long as aggregate time as LEO was met. My request for LEOSA specific identification was denied by CBP citing the outdated DHS directive issued in 2008 with presumed condition not in the law that one has to separate from LEO position and agency concurrently. Confirmed with FOP's Nat'l Legislative Office, which helped write the law, that I qualify and CBP is wrong. Efforts are being made for DHS to follow law and update policy in order to mandate CBP's following the law and issuing the required LEOSA ID.There are a lot of people like me in limbo due to widespread misinterpretation. Should be uniformity in interpreting law and setting policy. Obviously politics above logic.

Dan @ 7/7/2015 3:52 PM

Does this apply to corrections? I work for the Sheriff's Office and do have arrest powers on the grounds of the institution. We are covered by the sheriff to carry off duty as well. It seems that those who really spend the most time with the bad guys should qualift as well.

sarge38a @ 7/27/2015 6:32 AM

I had no idea you needed to possess an "LEOSA permit"? How do you get one? I'm in Ohio.

Jeff Stevens @ 8/1/2015 6:00 AM

Who can provide LEOSA firearms training and certification in SC?

Spencer Straka @ 8/26/2015 7:50 PM

I am 18, and I'm a reserve officer. If I'm qualified to carry a firearm while on duty, and can arrest, and also have an ID, does the LEOSA apply to me? And would I be allowed to take a CCW course because I am a reserve? Thanks.

Bobby'o @ 9/11/2015 3:22 PM

To answer any questions for example NJ Statutes 2A:154-3 and 2A:154-4 gives
State and county corrections officers to exercise their police powers at all times while in the State of New Jersey. The HR 218 applies to corrections officers some States don't give correction officers police powers or they would have to apply for a permit to carry a handgun The HR 218 my apply to them or not some times in their home State the statutes does'nt allow corrections officers to carry off duty only certain States like NJ & NY California.

Rick @ 10/4/2015 1:36 AM

executive branch of government is mentioned, does this apply to Department of Interior, Bureau of Indian affairs Federal Officers?

Greg @ 10/13/2015 12:09 PM

I recently received my commission as an Ohio Peace Officer (OPOTA), I will be seeking employment as a police officer but am I able to apply or receive my LEOSA in order to carry in all 50 states or do I need to be actively employed as a police officer or with a government agency? I also have my CCW in Ohio for Cuyahoga country.

Rey @ 10/19/2015 6:12 AM

To me

Loren @ 10/19/2015 10:58 PM

21-year veteran here with just a few thoughts that I haven't seen addressed yet. While I agree with the "thin blue line" - always have, always will - what about that armed off-duty officer who is on vacation with their family when someone attempts to harm them and the officer shoots and kills the suspect. Does anyone NOT agree that the mere possession of the weapon he uses should first be legal? The case would likely go to a Grand Jury of citizens who are not exactly LEO friendly, after all. I was recently subpoenaed to NYC to testify in a murder trial (I arrested the suspect here and he confessed) so I carried, worried that I would be confronted by the suspect or his his friends/family. I cannot imagine the grief I would have encountered if I had to actually use the pistol that I was carrying when I went to get pizza after court. So, TBL aside, we should all strive to be legal for ourselves, but also to set the example of "law-abiding citizen" that we are sworn to protect.

Robert B Church @ 10/21/2015 11:38 PM

My service was in the US Army Reserve, covering the requisite ten years. I retired as Lieutenant Colonel, USAR. Having retired from the reserve Forces, I was not issued a DD-214 .. How do I prove qualification, and to whom and how could I apply?

Mark Liner @ 10/22/2015 1:19 PM

I have my LEOSA Permit. I live in Virginia. Am I allowed to carry onto public school property.

Santos Perez @ 11/19/2015 2:55 PM

I resigned in 2008 from the Boston Police Department after 19 years of service, I am not qualified for a retirement department ID card, they say, I was wondering if I am qualified under HR218, I left the Department and received my retirement lump sum from the City and recently renewed my license to carry and I am also an NRA Pistol Instructor... am I qualified, where do I go, someone please guide me

Mo @ 12/4/2015 5:45 AM

I have seen a few articles about friendly foreign country's peace officers, and how Leosa "may" apply to them while in the USA. If the peace officer is qualified, and has a permit to be in possession of firerarms while in the USA, (example: form 6 nia from batf + a valid state hunting permit) the LEOSA does not state the LE has to be a U.S. citizen, or working for a US agency. Thoughts?

Keith Hunter @ 12/7/2015 5:56 PM

I am a Correction Officer in CT. Does this apply to CO's as well because we are considered law enforcement?

Kevin sedlak @ 12/9/2015 5:43 PM

I retired from the federal bureau of prisons. My I'd says law enforcement officer on it and it says I have 15 years of satisfactory service. (medical retirement) I qualify every 6 months with a state trooper firearms instructor. The state of New Jersey says I must have a concealed permit and your CEO has to,sign that you left the agency with satisfactory service (which is already identified on my id) the CEO refuses to sign off on any permits. No reason given. What options do I have to carry and protect myself and my family?

PK Reid @ 12/12/2015 5:59 PM

I think we need to get the FOP to lead a project to develop an amendment to the Federal law that cleans it up and makes it workable. Included should be language that requires DoD, Federal Agencies as well as State & local governments to issue the required ID cards.

arte mccollough @ 12/13/2015 12:23 PM

I meet the requirements of the LEOSA Federal Law, however, in Hawaii the Chief of Police where I was employed for over 12 years, refuses to issue the "ID Card", which in fact the AG's Office (oversees the law) tells me that they only have to "see it, then I can never show it again" for they'll issue me "their ID Card"..... I've questioned why a local "policy" can overrule a Federal Law. The answer is: "that's the way it is"...... Strangely, as I understand the Chief is currently under investigation by the FBI (for something else), and remains in full power. Any other office being investigated by the FBI would have to surrender his powers or be reassigned..... BUT,"THAT'S THE WAY IT IS"......

Chris @ 12/13/2015 1:54 PM

I have found that reading the law can be very confusing and cut and dry at the same time. I find myself more concerned with not being able to carry in GFSZ and National Parks under LEOSA and find it strange that under State Law you can. A lot of good info here and scares me to carry at the same time due to the possibility of unwarranted drama from uninformed officers or depts. The last thing I need is to be arrested during an RV vacation with the family for being legal.

Ross @ 12/14/2015 10:11 PM

From California DOJ..Correctional Officer questions..HR 218 - LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS SAFETY ACT
(LEOSA) OF 2000 - - ISSUES....4. Under Section 926B(c)(2) in the LEOSA, what does “authorized by the agency to
carry a firearm” mean (active only - not retired)?
If California statute allows an officer to carry off-duty, then the officer is
authorized to carry. State correctional
officers and Medical Technical Assistants,
for example, typically are rarely issued duty weapons and most aren’t armed
when conducting job duties. However, these officers are all authorized by statute
to carry off-duty as long as they are range-qualified.
This Act doesn’t specify that the officer must carry in the line of duty.
The officer can be in violation of policy, but can lawfully carry under this Act.

Ross @ 12/14/2015 10:12 PM

California Correctional officers..4. Under Section 926B(c)(2) in the LEOSA, what does “authorized by the agency to
carry a firearm” mean (active only - not retired)?
If California statute allows an officer to carry off-duty, then the officer is
authorized to carry. State correctional
officers and Medical Technical Assistants,
for example, typically are rarely issued duty weapons and most aren’t armed
when conducting job duties. However, these officers are all authorized by statute
to carry off-duty as long as they are range-qualified.
This Act doesn’t specify that the officer must carry in the line of duty.
The officer can be in violation of policy, but can lawfully carry under this Act. This is from Ca DOJ website

Joe Rizzuti @ 12/17/2015 4:39 PM

This was one of my biggest fears about the law. It's simple Full time- with powers of arrest or retired in good standing with your department Must have have a state issued LTC And you have to qualify with the weapon that you're going to carry once a year with your department no one else Sorry if I offend anyone but there's a lot of yahoos mall security guards with a weekend academies out there. this law only for the full-time professional

Shane Wendt @ 12/18/2015 4:49 PM

I've tried (but probably not hard enough) to find where in LEOSA it states that a Military Active Duty Law Enforcement Official under the age of 21 is allowed to have a CCP. I understand that it's only common sense, you must 21 or older, but I carry a weapon on me 4 days a week. I don't really want to wait a year until I'm 21. Can anyone give me a solid answer?

Jeff @ 12/22/2015 8:35 AM

How about magazine capacity? - some states have laws about the size/ capacity of bullets in a magazine. I don't think they apply here. Others disagree with me.

Paul @ 12/23/2015 12:15 PM

I a retired L.E.O. from Travis County S.O. TX. The agency does issue a retired ID card. However the card itself does not state that I have completed my pistol qualification, which is a requirement of LEOSA. I have been carrying a letter on department letterhead stating that I have qualified. I have decided that as a back up plan, I'm going to go ahead and get my state CHL too.

John @ 12/23/2015 2:00 PM

So if Joe has it his way you are either retired or full time.I retired with 25 yrs full time and 6 yrs part time service.Now working part time as an Investigator for my agency.What does full or part time have to do with it? Either you are, or you aren't qualified to carry.

Scott @ 12/23/2015 7:12 PM

I am curious about the magazine size restriction. It is my understanding that LEOSA specifically states that type of ammo and calibre of weapon cannot be regulated locally; however, there is nothing in LEOSA about magazine size restrictions. Meaning that magazine capacity can be restricted by local law. Is there any clarification for this.

steve @ 12/23/2015 9:15 PM

To shane wendt,

I dont think 21 year old applies. You dont have to be 21 to be a police officer. Case in point; Detroit PD age requirement is 18 1/2 years old.

Brian Brown @ 12/24/2015 7:23 AM

To Joe Kimbel re: NYC. You are correct, keep the gun concealed and there will not be a problem. The problem arises when you go to a venue such as the 9/11 museum or Madison Square Garden. They do not allow retired or Leosa to carry in their location. You can bring your weapon to a local NYPD Pct. and they will secure until you return.

Allen @ 12/24/2015 2:51 PM

I am an active duty mp, is there any way I can make H.R. 218 work for me?

Eddie @ 12/25/2015 10:35 AM

A 28 year veteran of the Mass DOC. How does this law apply to me?

Sgt. Marc Huckless Old Do @ 12/26/2015 11:36 AM

Someone had ask me are college campus police officers covered under HR-218 and the answer is: Only if they are a sworn certified police officer employed or retired from a state college or state university; private campus police officers and company police officers are NOT covered because the law requires that you are employed or retired from a gov. law enforcement agency NOT PRIVATE COMPANY. However, I also believe there are still some loop holes with State College and State University Police Officers with HR-218 in some areas up north. In some of the New England States SOME college police officers do not carry the same authority as the local police and some do not carry guns; therefore there are indeed some questions as to what exactly is a campus police officer.

Lonnie @ 12/26/2015 7:33 PM

The Nashville Metro Police Department will issue Retired ID but does not do annual training. Here in Tennessee if your Department does Not do LEOSA the card is issued by the POST Commission. I have travelled to Chicago, New York City, and others to no issues. In HI you have 24 hrs upon arrival to stop by and notify Police you are there..

John G @ 12/28/2015 11:16 AM

I was not a cop but I came from a family of cops, that had respect for people in
general, as a kid my father in law took my beer away from me many times, before I was part of the family. Then my brother in law be came a cop. these
two men of the law would never arrest a retired officer for carrying.
"It's called Respect" some thing a lot of the new cops don't have any more for the people or retired officers. What they don't get is if they needed help the Retired Guy on instinct and training would be by there side. What happen to the Second Armament ? Two many changes in State and Local Law and no one understands it, not even the guys that made the changes. I would like to Thank
The Retired Police Officer That Help Stopped The 3 Guy From Robing Me And Got On His CB To Get Backup {no cell phones} and the new guys telling him he still Had It.That would be you retired guys now,Thanks for the Respect For Every One."What kind of cop would arrest a retired Office for carrying" ?
John G

John Kotch @ 12/30/2015 6:15 AM

If you are a retired NJ police officer, NJ courts say LEOSA does NOT apply to an officer residing (Domiciled) in this state but only officers from other states that are passing through. I have been fighting a lengthy court battle for my NJ RPO permit which I have recently LOST. Be very careful what the NRA or FOP is saying if you are retired LEO and live in NJ. Trust me I know what I am talking about.

Wayne Hummer @ 12/30/2015 8:32 PM

To Dave H.... I don't believe you understand the meaning of "Notwithstanding any other provision of the law of any State or any political subdivision thereof....... this means in spite of State Law meaning it doesn't apply. To others that want more info I suggest you look at Sheepdog Academy website and maybe take their seminar......the person who started it is a Federal Judge and is probably one of the most knowledgeable on LEOSA

Wayne Hummer @ 12/30/2015 8:35 PM

Since it is a Federal Law, why can't the Dept of Justice or another part of the Feds issue the retired ID to officers once they retire and your verified as eligible?

Wayne Hummer @ 12/30/2015 8:37 PM

Since LEOSA is Federal Law, if the Feds such as Dept of Justice issued the retired ID after verifying eligibility, it would be easy to check the retirees status if stopped as one agency would need to be contacted and all ID's would be the same everywhere.

James Manuel @ 1/25/2016 4:57 AM

As the world is changing why not use former police officers as a force multiplier. I am not retired or have 10 years but was a former police officer in Texas with good standing and no criminal record. I know a lot of former officers who also are not retired or have 10 years that are good officers, who should be able to carry under LEOSA. Change the law for a good reason. We are all brothers in arms regardless.

Frank Osuna @ 2/5/2016 8:57 AM

Still no avail. Even after my honorable separation from my agency due to medical reasons ( run over by uninsured motorist on my motorcycle while in uniform on my way to work), I still have not been able to get my LEOSA creds or a clear cut answer as to why I am being denied. I have over 18+ yrs as an active law enforcement officer and I was was honrably separtated and refused to honorably retire me. What gives ? I would like to see how and who can assist me and others that may be going through this. I need to continue to protect myself and my family from those scumbags that I may have arrested in the past. Leaving me/us out in the cold is BS if you ask me. Any and all advice on this matter is appreciated.

Thank You,

currently San Antonio Police Dept / Civillian
formerly San Antonio Park Police Dept
formerly Bexar County Sheriff's Office

Don Moody @ 2/8/2016 8:37 PM

Can anyone explain why if I am a qualified law enforcement officer and covered by federal law to carry across the US, I can not purchase a firearm in Washington State before another complete background check and a letter from local police chief or county sheriff. I am frustrated and confused, please help me understand.

Matt Edwards @ 2/10/2016 7:26 PM

City politics should not play a role. In this federal right for us officers. My city changed politics after I worked there 15 years and now the new cheif and Meyer will not sign off or give me a ID to carry

Matt Edwards @ 2/10/2016 7:40 PM

What can I do to get around this problem

Jason Cardona @ 2/21/2016 6:53 PM

I've been a constable in Massachusetts since 2008 and the cities in which I have sworn into refuse to give identification cards to their constables. Lots of problems can be cleared up by putting constables into the system and issuing them id cards but politics being what they are won't let it happen.

Robert L Roe @ 2/27/2016 11:08 AM

I am a former USAF Security Police Staff Sergeant, 1969-1973. I now am a sworn Chaplain with the Jessamine Co., Coroners office. Our Deputy Coroner's are sworn peace officers with the State of Ky. My wife was injured in the line of duty working with the Federal Bureau of Prison's. My son is a former city Police Officer, Deputy Sheriff, now a sworn Deputy Coroner, and a Funeral Director. After that let me say that after working with a United States Congressman, many things are accomplished working thru your State Legislators and Federal Congressional body. A word of warning! You can't do it alone. Incourage your local FOP post's to get on board in your State, and begin or continue dialogue pertains to this subject matter. Every phone call represents 10 votes. 100 names on a petition forward is looked upon as 1000 votes. God Bless Isaih 41:13. Bob

Ty @ 2/27/2016 2:36 PM

Hey I was wondering if served 5 years in the air force but was medically discharged it was service connected do I still qualify for leosa even know I didn't serve 10 years because of my medical disability

Frank Osuna @ 3/11/2016 12:16 PM

Mr. Robert L Roe,

Thank you for the valuable insight on what it takes to win. It is sad but true that it cannot be accomplished alone. It will take many to push the issue at hand with our State Legislators and Federal Congress. I am looking into possibly making a few phone calls and maybe even a Fund Me account to see about helping these issues Nation Wide, not just here where I reside in Texas.

United we Stand, Divided we Fall...


Harold Craig Hill @ 3/11/2016 4:45 PM

As a sworn deputy and certified corrections officer by the Fla Criminal Justice Training Division, I was required to carry firearms, both handgun and/or shotgun in the course of my assigned duties. I was also required to maintain firearm proficiency as required by the state standards.
In Florida as in other locations the statutory power of arrest language excludes us from protections under LEOSA. This legislation does not even remotely authorize arrest powers out of jurisdiction or to retired Law Enforcement personnel.
I have contacted legislators, PBA NRA etc and have had no success in gaining any support to have this amended or clarified so that a certified corrections officers trained and required to carry firearms be recognized under LEOSA in each state.

Jason Dipane @ 3/11/2016 11:17 PM

I'm retired now but have over 30 years experience in law enforcement. I have worked in the military as law enforcement officer retired, for cities and county as a police officer and deputy, I worked for federal government agency as a federal police officer never retired from any police department only military. Am I eligible under the LEOSA Act to carry.

Sgt. Marc Huckless @ 3/15/2016 11:25 PM

This question came up several times in Virginia and the question was: If I am a campus police officer can I carry out of state under HR-218? The answer is "YES" but only if you work for a state college or university not a private college or university. "State Universities" and/or "State Colleges" are indeed State Gov't agencies. You must be a "State College-University, or Public School campus police officer."

Charles Rall @ 3/23/2016 7:16 PM

As a retired police officer and with a current LEOSA ID can I carry a weapon on a federal park?

Raymond simmons @ 3/24/2016 3:01 PM

I'M a retired police Lt. From Florida and live in Michigan do I need a cow.

Andrew Kozak @ 4/5/2016 3:56 PM

I am a retired Federal Canadian Peace Officer with 35 yrs on the job. I have a form 6 issued by the ATF allowing entry to the US for shooting matches. What is the legal way to travel Interstate carry a handgun?

garry l. adams @ 4/13/2016 10:16 AM

Still waiting for LSPD in Missouri to come to understand LEOSA. Most of the lawyers that I contacted want at least 5K to start a law suite. The LEOSA only states "may issue" and not shall issue. I have contacted everyone I can think of including Patrick Leahy who introduced the act. The MO police chiefs Ass. does not support the act so the PC of LSMO won't issue the ID. this is not a police friendly area. I guess I need to locate a police/ sheriff agency that supports LEOSA and have them hire me for a week and then retire with them. I meet all the retirement requirements for LSPD and I am currently receiving it. There is no policy in place for retirement and when hired was advised that I had to meet the states requirement and nothing else. LAGERS. So frustrating and can't believe the non support of police chiefs. Maybe they don't want better trained people carrying guns. Who knows how some think, Oh well that search goes on. BE SAFE

Larry Mortenson @ 4/13/2016 1:44 PM

Garry Adams, In MO you can contact the Highway Patrol to receive your LEOSA ID and annual training. here is the link to the form.

glaxlaw @ 4/13/2016 4:13 PM

Larry, Isn't that for the HP only. I was city PD. Thanks

glaxlaw @ 4/14/2016 4:39 AM

this is for the Mo hwy patrol, I was city PD. Unless you know this will work for city cops? But thanks for your help Larry

Tanya Ward @ 4/15/2016 7:26 PM

What states accept LEOSA?

Darien O'Neal Barnett @ 4/29/2016 7:43 PM


Spencer Straka @ 5/9/2016 8:53 PM

So if I am an 19 year old reserve officer, does the LEOSA apply to me?

Jack @ 5/18/2016 3:45 PM

Are there any benefits for disabled vets under loesa. I served 81/2 yrs active and 1 yr reserve. Also worked 3yrs reserve deputy sheriff.

Jack schoffstall @ 5/18/2016 3:48 PM

Are there any benefits for disabled vets, I served 8 1/2 yrs active and 1 reserve. Also 3 yrs as a reserve deputy

Weldon Perkola @ 6/1/2016 6:36 AM

I'm a retired LEO (31 yrs). 26 with a large Michigan City and 5 with a Michigan County. Was a NRA police certified firearms instructor also. Am I allowed to carry a concealed weapon without going through all the "legal" requirements Civilians do? Truthfully, I carry all the time. Just saying. Thank You.

Duane Peake @ 6/6/2016 7:39 AM

I live in Batesburg, SC. I have been retired from active Law Enforcement for six years from the Lexington County Sheriff's Department. I was a Law Enforcement Officer for 31 years. I recently asked to qualify with my firearm to get my concealed carry(HR218). The Department has declined allowing me to receive the qualification. I am not prohibited and can legally carry a firearm. The Sheriff is not allowing it to any officer that didnt retire under his administration. Can the department do this and not offer it to me?

William @ 6/9/2016 1:52 PM

Here is one for you all. My prior Chief of Police issued an ID card and a letter stating I meet all requirements for retirement, but when the new Chief came on board he requested the Photo ID back. I was deployed overseas at the time, and my wife located the ID and returned it. I still have the letter, but no ID card. Am I still qualified to carry? I also spent 12-years as a military police officer.

glaxlaw @ 6/10/2016 5:09 AM

Until LEOSA is mandated for issue of an retired/seperated ID, those of us from small thinking agencies are just out of luck. The LEOSA covers officers in the US, and no borders to stop us. The police departments must learn why this act came about and the intent behind it. I have contacted all I can think of here in Missouri, but none are willing to present a change in the bill mandating the issue of the ID. Maybe some day they will wake up and understand the useful tools of the, ones they trusted while they served their community, can and still are trusted tools with their skills. Thanks and stay safe.

Mike @ 6/11/2016 3:30 PM

Biggest problem I have with LEOSA is the annual qualification. You are retired after 25-30 + years as a LEO and have to go back to the range to "qualify" every year? Yet any Tom, Dick, or Harry can get a CWP with no hands on training and can carry in any reciprocal (which is about 40 now). It's almost like you're being penalized for being a retired LEO

Slick @ 6/28/2016 12:22 AM

I'm retired N.Y.P.D. E.S.U. (S.W.A.T.) 20 years.I have to say to all,the guy who says he's N.Y.P.D. (And no to LEOSA) Was and never could (hit a door) be a "REAL COP" and only dreams of carrying a N.Y.P.D. Shield. He's just some reptile playing with himself........YOU ARE ALL MY BROTHERS! Be Safe!

Sbear @ 6/28/2016 6:11 PM

Can someone direct me to where I can get an application and all the information to apply. I have my retired credentials, just don't know where to start the process. Only thing I seem to come across are for prior or active military, not local peace officers.

Sbear @ 6/28/2016 6:14 PM

Can someone direct me in where to get the application for a local peace officer. I have my retired credentials but can't seem to find out how to apply, only applications or companies I see are for military personnel. Thanks....

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Jason Mcguire @ 9/4/2016 3:39 AM

Note that the International Association of Police Chiefs and the Police Executive Research Forum opposed this bill. What little respect I had for either group is completely gone. I'm sure Bratton has his own security detail but the Chiefs don't want their officers to be able to protect themselves. Those same officers that could run into someone they arrested while off duty with their families.

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Larry Daniel @ 9/4/2016 6:51 PM

I learned last year that LEOSA had been modified a few years ago and I now can utilize LEOSA. I am a retired reserve deputy from Harris Co. Texas, however, I worked full time as a non sworn employee in AFIS Ops. So I walked down the hall to the Reserve Command Office and ask when can I do my firearms qualifications. I was told Sheriff Hickman won't allow retired reserves to do firearms qualifications.
Awhile later, Deputy Goforth was murdered at a filling station. The Sheriff appeared on local and national news and said "Cop lives matter" but I
know the Sheriff does have his exceptions.

hardtime72 @ 9/11/2016 9:23 AM

As a Dept of the Air Force Police Officer my agency does not issue ID for LEOSA unless I want to pay several hundred dollars for one (which can be pulled at any time) It has no effect compared with state law enforcement officer Commission cards. I fortunately also work as a state agency LEO. I believe it should be written that LEO's and RLEO's should be able to carry in any state under the same regulations as that state's LEO's carry, but alas this isn't the case. So LEOSA works the same as any CCW as far as the law goes. If every state has to recognize Same sex marriage in their state, then A CCW has legal standing as it relates to a constitutional amendment, where marriage is not a constitutionally protected right. This is just waiting for the perfect case to come up and become part of case law. It will soon be that any CCW will become valid in any state. LEOSA is supposed to be different. It just hasn't been written and applied correctly

Jesse @ 9/16/2016 9:40 PM

Kevin Sadlek needs to read his post orders and job description. He also needs to pay attention during A.R.T. Reminds me of a true story about a pissed off CHP officer going on BOP property to give tickets. He was politely ask to leave U.S. Government property immediately. If not, he would be arrested for carrying a weapon on federal property. He left immediately and the ticket crises ended. That should answer the powers of arrest.

Joe Formelio @ 12/5/2016 8:47 AM

I read the article above and instead of clarifying things for me it only confuse me further. I'm retired Philadelphia police officer to my knowledge I am allowed to carry throughout the United States under HR 218 which is a federal law. I now live in New Jersey and we all know what New Jersey is about as far as anyone carrying a firearm. HR 218 is a federal law which no state in United States has a right to reject. Including New Jersey. I wish someone of authority can comment on this and clarify once and for all. I checked with the local police in New Jersey and they said I need a permit to carry is this correct?

John @ 12/18/2016 1:02 PM

Why does this article make it sound like Corrections Officers are excluded from LEOSA? Even my state, TN, specifically names CO's as LEO and we get a permit to carry after fully vested (5 years). We face the same threats as LEO as we live with the criminals LEO's arrest and we are threatened all the time. Here is a CO who claimed the right to carry under LEOSA and won his case, see below links.

and here

TN CO's can carry:

DENNIS DOOLEY @ 12/24/2016 3:53 AM

I am a retired Lieutenant who worked In NY and a Dept. on Long Island retired with 32 yrs. and to guys who don't think you should bother to where a gun when you retire sounds like you were a house mouse or handed out radios to real cops going out on patrol. Any cop who was active knows once a cop always a cop and if you are with your family and something happens you are gonna react like cop YOU BETTER BE ARMED THE MUTTScan sense it to some guys can spot a cop a mile away and you don't have your gun on you to protect yourself or it could be lights out for you and your family. Case in point. A retired NYPD waiting on line with his two to see santa and a piece of shit cuts the line and an argument ensues and the perp pulls a knife and stabs the guy behind him the retired cop orders him to drop the knife he doesn't and he is shot 3 times dead, needless to say bAd guy didn't see santa but the cop and his family did just on a different dAY. its open season on cops protect your family

MSGSabot @ 12/24/2016 8:53 AM

Here is another sad part to the HR-218 selective application(s) of the law. I personally never being a LEO, but served for 20 years as combat arms NCO and for the past 24 years as a Law Enfoecement Firearms Instructor certified not only by the NRA, Virginia DCJS, Maryland State Police and several others that have allowed me to teach and certify Armed Federal Security Officers and on many occasions regular LEOs, but I am not trusted or permitted to carry under HR-218 and under few States such as Maryland, New Jersey, New York, and the likes they will not even accept my CCP's!! We do need a National Concealed Carry Law with good and clear standards that wil be mandatory to ALL States and US Territories.

Mike h @ 1/8/2017 8:23 AM

Hey Dooley. Where you a LT in Manhattan housing by any chance?

Agent Bond @ 1/8/2017 8:37 PM

Well NY City and Long Island laws are so weird. I am a Military Police Officer and I also have a UTAH AND FL Carry. I had a premise license but I was denied for a target shooting license from Nassau county. Can somebody help me figured this out.

MGENOIS @ 1/9/2017 6:51 PM


Richard Groves @ 2/7/2017 5:35 PM

I am a Marine Veteran who held the AMOS of 5811 and 5831 for 4 years.

I also served as a Jail Division Deputy Sheriff with two different departments for a total of 4 years.

I also served as a Corrections Officer for 2.5 years

This makes a combined total of 10.5 years of sworn duty with arrest powers.

Would I qualify for LEOSA?

Richard Groves @ 2/7/2017 5:36 PM

I am Marine Veteran who held the AMOS of 5811 and 5831 for 4 years. I also served as a Jail Division Deputy Sheriff with two different departments for a total of 4 years. I also served as a Corrections Officer for 2.5 years This makes a combined total of 10.5 years of sworn duty with arrest powers. Would I qualify for LEOSA?

McClifford Genois @ 2/10/2017 6:50 PM

Groves, yes you are qualify for LEOSA feel free to check this site or contact me

Sean Hicks @ 2/18/2017 10:49 AM

I'm actively serving in the Navy as a Master at Arms (B640). From my research only Army and Air Force can obtain the required identification. How would I go about getting that too or am I just sh** out of luck.

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Phillip @ 3/9/2017 4:36 PM

I'm a New York State Peace Officer working Campus Police for the City University of New York ( CUNY). I 24/7 Police powers of arrest. Do I qualify for LEOSA?

Lee @ 3/17/2017 9:51 AM

I retired back in the late 1990's after 25 years as a police officer with a municipal department in Virginia. Upon retirement we are all issued a pictured retired police officer identification card. On the rear of the card it states, "The former Law Enforcement Officer, identified on the reverse side of this card, is retired from ------ ------- Police Department and has met the requirements set forth in 18.2-308 Code of Virginia and is therefore authorized to possess and carry a concealed handgun within the Commonwealth of Virginia.

This identification Card is the property of the ------ -------Police Department and must be surrendered upon demand."

I carry it in my wallet all the time but don't always carry my backup 38 Chiefs Special, though I probably should carry it more. I'm in my mid 60's and my wife has a physical handicap, so we no longer travel out of the state of Virginia. I feel my home is protected as far as having a firearm, so for me that's ok for now.

MartyC @ 4/12/2017 7:18 AM

I have been retired from LE ( NJ 28 years / Federal 6 years ) since 2012. For a majority of my career I was a firearms instructor and currently qualify several retired LE Officers as required by HR 218. For the most part these "old guys" shoot "well enough" to get by and pass the course. It does seem however that most retired LE are not staying as active in their firearms training as they should. To show up twice a year as required in NJ and shoot paper without any other additional range time is really not conducive to maintaining your firearm skills. If you really stop and think about it, carrying a firearm and potentially having to use it can put you in serious liability. With today's mindset towards LE and Firearms you will most likely face some legal action and a possible lawsuit. Remember that you WILL NOT have the backing of your previous LE Agency as you are now retired. I strongly recommend that you carry your own Firearms Liability Insurance from a reputable company. See Next:

Mike @ 4/21/2017 10:24 AM

I was involved in the crafting of the LEOSA Law. It means exactly what it says. It does not need any court "reinterpretation." It was intended that those sworn law enforcement officers who are trained and can maintain qualifications as they did when they carried on duty and who have not been convicted of a crime, can carry a weapon anywhere in the US upon retirement or after 10 years of service as a LEO. I'm not talking about bank guards or untrained officers and every state knows this. Now many states are not honoring this law or believe that their state or local laws supercede the authority of this law. That is all crap and they know it.
At least Andrew Cuomo admitted he was violating HR 218 and he said so what! Most of the other states and agencies just pretend it doesn't apply to their state or their municipality. . . . BS! We need a national law that can't be so-called reinterpreted by the courts and we need to remove rogue politicians and the court officers.

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JJ Schino @ 7/6/2017 5:31 AM

Hawaii still ignores the LEOSA law for QRLEO so be careful there. Sometimes they forget they belong to the USA.

Jeff Brace @ 7/11/2017 4:55 AM

The LEOSA only applies to US police officers correct? What about a current or retired Canadian police officer are they alllowef to carry in the US?

Eric @ 7/16/2017 8:47 PM

I was an Air Force police officer for 6 years and am currently on the US Dept of Energy's Special Response Team as a Security Police Officer Level III (SPO III), and have been for 10 years. We have limited federal arrest authority under section 161K of The Atomic Energy Act (as amended). We wear a badge and respond to incidents that exceed the capability of our state sworn LE constables (who are Security Police Officer level I's) and the SPO II's who have the same limited federal arrest authority as us SPO III's. Needless to say, my peers and I are experts with many weapons.

My question is: Do we qualify for LEOSA? We should because of our federal arrest authority IMO. I would add that society wants highly trained experts like me carrying guns in todays turbulent and terrorist-filled world. One of me would've ended the Orlando shooting 1 or 2 kills in instead of 50. One of me would've ended the San Bernardino killers... and Paris... and perhaps Nice, etc. We shouldn't have red tape in arming our most qualified and trained professionals.

I do worry about the dummy who never shot a gun getting a CCW. Some states don't even require you to shoot 5 bullets (Georgia... lol). You just fill out the form. That's a little too loose, but me and my colleagues should be armed since we are more trained than most cops that aren't SWAT, etc. Thanks in advance.


Jon hall @ 7/25/2017 1:23 AM

I see every part of regular law enforcement has been spoke of accept those of us who deal with the criminal element for significant longer durations of time . Yes the dept of corrections especially pa where do we truly stand I've read the law up down left and right and have had a lot of trouble for. Philly police . In title 61 it states that the department of corrections more commonly referred to as the department sets fourth the standards in which for county prisons etc are to operate however specifically stated that in sub section1734 thay county corrections have limited powers of arrest when in dealing with persons remanded tp the custody of that county facility .ie transport recapture of an escape etc . This had be a grey area for far yo long especially because this all seems to be common sense to me but seemingly Philly police have a hard time accepting they are not the only law enforcement officers in the state . Could you help clarify this for me? My issue comes in from title 18, 6106 thru 6109 and title 61,1105 thru 1734

Jim @ 11/9/2017 1:02 PM

I have left the sheriff's office after 9 years of service but not So called "retired". I'm only 40. So does the retired stance go for expolice officers or do they actually have to retire from a department?

John @ 11/9/2017 5:12 PM

Eric, did you get an answer? I was an MP active duty for three years and spent 26 years as AN SPO and trainer (firearms, tactical response, defensive tactics) at Paducah. I have the same question.

Jerry @ 12/23/2017 1:36 PM

I have 20 years of experience in Illinois as a certified part-time police officer. I left my department in 2006 after 12 1/2 years with that agency. I have not been in Law Enforcement since then. Would I qualify for HB 218? From what I've read, and the amendments to the original law, I get the impression I am eligible for HB 218. Can anyone help? @ 12/23/2017 1:58 PM

Read many but not all. Not a LEO, but worked with them in Northern VA as a Professor teaching Psychological Foundations of Criminal Behavior (in Forensics). I would want these difficulties for LEOSA to get to the attention of our POTUS. His knack for separating the chaff from the wheat is needed.

Buck @ 12/23/2017 10:52 PM

HR 218 was a good idea gone bad. Which is usually the case whenever the government creates a law. I have never bothered with the onerous and ludicrous requirements of 218. I retired from law enforcement long before 218. After retirement, the wife and I RV'd the US extensively. I always packed, regardless of the local laws. I spent over two decades as a lawman before OJI forced me into a medical retirement. I literally bled for my badge, as many others have. I will be damned if the government is going to decide the conditions in which I can carry a weapon. Hell, I was on the job when we LEOS packed on commercial airlines...without prisoners! And the pilots were glad to have us! On more than one flight I was offered the jump seat in the cockpit. And on every flight the Captain made a point of meeting me. But what really disturbs me about 218 is the lack of professional courtesy. What the hell is wrong with you young cops of today? Someday YOU will be retired too!

Mike @ 12/25/2017 6:22 AM

I see some comments can I carry I was a LEO for a short time. Being employees as one and retiring as one is two different things. Being just employed doesn't get you a retirement card. HR218 isn't valid with out the local LEO CCW.

Marc Huckless @ 1/24/2018 1:05 PM

I get the question all the time concerning are college campus and university police officers covered under LEOSA HR-218 and the answer is YES only if they are employed by a public or state college or university. LEOSA HR-218 doesn't cover private campus police or company police.

Sheree Pratt @ 2/15/2018 5:26 PM

. Much needed information.

Brett Barnard @ 3/16/2018 8:53 AM

Good article, but WHERE is the application reference? Do I get it through my retiring agency?

JCY110 @ 6/5/2018 5:02 PM

We need a Federal ID card program, one set of standards to clear up all of the what if's.........

Ronald ORSO @ 7/31/2018 2:07 PM

Retired NJ LEO. Out of state LEO's can carry concealed in NJ, retired NJ LEO's can't carry in NJ w/o a NJ concealed carry permit. This according to the NJ Attorney General. Anyone who has heard differently, please advise,

JOHN TENNERY @ 8/4/2018 11:31 PM

Under LEOSA, do we have to abide by state laws that regulate the magazine size of your weapon! ie: i either carry a glock 19 15/17 rnd mag, or S&W 9mm w/17 round mag, N.Y.S. has a limit of 7 rounds, do i have to carry a weapon with a 7 rnd capacity?

Publisher @ 8/6/2018 1:13 PM

@John Tennery...Per Glen Hoyer: There is no mention of magazines capacity in LEOSA. There is a provision on ammunition, so you can carry any ammunition that is not federally prohibited, however, you MUST abide by the local jurisdictions requirements for magazine capacity.

Bob Weisz (Retired LEO) @ 8/23/2018 10:36 AM

I checked, with NYPD, we can carry at least 10 round mags. I personally would not press my luck any amount.

AUSTXLEO @ 9/23/2018 10:13 AM

The LEOSA is a nice bit of protection for current and retired LEOs, however, FOP and other entities who represent LEOs need to lobby for and sponsor changes that will make LEOSA mandatory. There are too many ways for state and local entities to deny LEOSA to retired officers. There is no recourse (save a lawsuit) if your agency or state denies LEOSA certification. States are enacting their own interpretation of the LEOSA and in doing so, creating a system where thousands of retired officers are not afforded their due protection.

I took the oath to protect others and joined my agency when I was 21. In three more years I'll be eligible to retire with 26.5 years of service. Under the Texas interpretation of LEOSA, I will not be eligible for LEOSA as a retired officer. You see, when I had been an officer for almost 13 years (while serving as a detective in the child abuse/serious crimes against children) unit, I was arrested for DWI (DUI alcohol).

AUSTXLEO @ 9/23/2018 10:14 AM

Regardless of any facts that may have contributed to the situation, I am the only one to blame for my actions. I admitted my mistake and took full accountability. I have since taught many classes to hundreds of cops trying to help them avoid this type of situation. As a result of my arrest, my state peace officer license was placed on a probated suspension. Regardless of how much good I've done for the community in the 26.5 years of service (upon retirement), Texas says that because my license had been "revoked or suspended at any point during service," they will not allow me to receive LEOSA protection.

I don't deny I made a horrible mistake all those years ago, however, should that negate all the other years of service? Should that mean that I shouldn't be allowed LEOSA protection so I can continue serving others by being able to protect them?

I know I'm opening myself up to serious criticism here, but something needs to change.

Adam @ 9/24/2018 7:23 PM

I was in the US Coast Guard for 4 years active in 1988 – 94 and inactive another 4 years after that. How do I qualify for LEOSA?


Terry @ 11/9/2018 6:39 AM

I have 20 plus years as a police officer in the state of Ohio. When I retired, I was serving in a civilian capacity, thereby officially retiring as a civilian. My department refuses to grant me a retired PO ID card stating I am not a retired PO (yet they agree that I qualify based on time in service as a PO). Can anyone guide me in the steps I need to take to obtain a retired PO ID card?

Thank you

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