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Departments : Officer Survival

Stainless-Steel Weapon Retention

When some dirtbag knocks you down and grabs your gun, your last line of defense may be your folding knife.

November 01, 2005  |  by Eric Edgecomb

The call comes in at 22:45 on a sleepy night. There’s a domestic dispute at a home in a middle-class neighborhood. You acknowledge the call and drive toward the address.

A few minutes later, you pull up in front of the house next door to the residence from which the call originated. You radio the dispatch center and confirm your status on the scene.

You’ve been to many domestics in your career. So as you open the door and slide out of your aging cruiser, your ears are already perked, listening for the tell-tale sounds of a domestic.

There’s nothing making noise on this night but the crickets. Still, you have to check it out. So you draw your flashlight from the scabbard on your belt and start up the walk.

You’re halfway to the house when a blur of movement explodes from the shadows to your right. The call has become an ambush. Some guy is attacking you with a club. You raise your hand to block the blow and shield your head.

The club is an aluminum baseball bat, and the blow aimed for your head shatters your right forearm. You fall back in pain and scramble to gain distance from your attacker.

But the bad guy presses his attack. He’s clawing at your duty pistol.

The weapon-retention techniques that you were taught at the academy aren’t working flat on your back with a shattered forearm. You manage to clamp your elbow down over the top of your Level II retention holster, but your attacker is determined. He yanks and twists on the grip of the Glock.

The bad guy is winning this fight. If he gets your gun, you’re dead. You can’t reach your backup gun. You grab your weapon of last resort, your tactical folding knife.

More Than a Tool

You probably carry a folding knife. And if you’re like most cops, you’ve probably been told that your knife is not a weapon; it’s a tool.

Forget all that crap.

In a situation like the one I just detailed when deadly force is a reasonable and legal response and you can’t get to your duty pistol or your backup gun, you will need your knife. But unless you have trained to use it as a weapon, you may not be able to do so effectively when you need to. It’s a lot harder to use a knife in combat than most people, including most cops, realize.

I know, I know. Many defensive tactics instructors scoff at the concept of deploying a folding knife under the stress of a gun-grab attack. The argument against such a tactic generally suggests that the officer should respond to a gun-grab with his academy-trained and departmentally approved weapon-retention techniques and stick to them until successful.

As a weapon-retention and disarming instructor and a tactical knife instructor, I agree with this argument, but only under “ideal” conditions. Note: When the brown stuff really hits the fan, it rarely happens under ideal conditions.

Think about it; will the weapon-retention techniques that you’ve been taught work if your dominant hand is seriously injured? Will the same techniques work if you’re flat on your back or otherwise in a disadvantaged position? Think hard; your life may depend on the answers.

It’s unlikely that the average cretin that you encounter on the street will simply walk up to you and lay hands upon your holstered weapon. It’s far more likely that some prison-pumped dirtbag will assault you, stunning or injuring you. Then he will go for your gun.

It’s also likely that said dirtbag won’t come after you in a clear area. He will hurl you against a wall or pin you against a car. This will make it hard for you to execute your standard weapon-retention techniques.

This is why I think your tactical folding knife is a critical weapon for countering gun-grab attacks.

But to effectively use your knife under the stress of an attack, you have to train with it. You need to build the muscle memory that will help you quickly deploy your knife and use it on your attacker.

Carry Position

Your ability to securely grip your folding knife is greatly influenced by the carry position of the knife on your body. The rule of thumb on carry positions for police tactical folders is that knives with clips that mount at the hinge, oriented to carry the knife with the tip down should be carried at the waistband or higher. Knives with clips mounted to the butt of the knife oriented to carry the knife with the tip up should be carried at the waistband or lower.

Ideally, the position of your folding knife should feed the closed knife into your hand ready for deployment. As your hand accesses the closed and clipped knife, your fingers need to clear the spine of the blade as your thumb operates the folding knife’s opening mechanism, whether it is a thumb hole, stud, disc, or wafer.

Two additional points bear consideration. You should consider keeping your folding knife’s clip concealed if possible. Otherwise, you could have the knife snatched in a fight with a suspect.

Your folding knife should be carried in a position opposite your firearm to facilitate drawing the knife with your non-dominant hand. Avoid clipping the knife close to the holster, as it will be difficult to defend both firearm and knife simultaneously.

Grab Your Knife


The first thing you need to learn when training to use your folding knife as a defensive weapon is how to hold it. There are numerous ways to grip a folding knife for self-defense. And now is not the time to get fancy.

Fine motor skills degrade quickly once your heartbeat rises above 115 beats per minute, so you need to focus on gross motor skills. Grips that require very little manipulation will serve you best. This is why I recommend the modified foil, hammer, or ice pick grip.

The modified foil grip and the hammer grip are the most natural for an officer to use while under attack. Each of these grips is easily acquired or transitioned to, and either one offers the benefit of complimenting your body’s natural mechanics.

Whichever grip you prefer for practicing self-defense with an edged weapon, evaluate it during your training sessions. More importantly consider the situations in which you may possibly need to use your tactical folding knife as an emergency back-up weapon and make sure your preferred grip works under these conditions.

Making the Cut


The “stopping power” of edged weapons comes from generating blood loss and tissue destruction. Edged weapons require both contact and motion in order to inflict injury.

When training to use your folding knife as a last-ditch deadly force weapon, look for optimum ways to injure your attacker and neutralize the threat that he or she presents. Always consider the positions of both you and your attacker and available targets on the body of an attacker.

Your grip, the carry position of your knife, your body position, and the position of your attacker will determine what moves you can make.

Bear in mind that you want to maximize your physical strength within your range of motion, exploit leverage, and maintain contact between your blade’s edge and your attacker’s body. If your preferred grip seems weak in light of these criteria, it may be time to consider alternatives.

I cannot stress this enough. When you use your folding knife to fight off a gun-grab attack, you are using deadly force. Make sure that you are justified to do so. Then go after your attacker with the set goal of neutralizing the threat.

Go for any target that presents itself that will end the attack. If you can cut the hand and arm that’s grabbing the gun, do it. If you can cut your attacker’s groin, do it. If you can stab your attacker in the eye, do it.

I know this is brutal. But we are talking life and death here. You have to win this fight and, if it gets to the point that the only way you can win this fight is to stab your attacker in the eye, or the gut, or the groin, then do it.

A gun grab is violent. A gun grab is brutal. If you can’t stop it with your academy-taught retention techniques, then you will have to be 100-percent violent and 100-percent brutal to win.

Train to Win


Never assume that using a knife as a last-ditch weapon is easy. Fighting with a knife is messy business, and you need to train to do it well. Otherwise, your attempt to fight off a gun grab with your folding knife is likely to be ineffective.

Imagine being issued a duty pistol and ammunition and being sent out on patrol without ever training or qualifying with your service weapon. The tactical folder is not really all that different.

Having the knife with you is the first step, but knowing how to use it and how to hit vital targets on your attacker’s body is critical. Also, documented training in tactics for employing the folding knife in a manner appropriate for officer survival could make all the difference in winning the second fight that takes place in court.

Just as with your duty pistol, the application of deadly force with a tactical folding knife requires the articulation of opportunity, ability, and imminent jeopardy. Documented training will help to prove that you knew and understood the lethality of an edged weapon, and acted appropriately.  

Eric Edgecomb is an instructor for Northeastern Tactical Schools. He is a certified instructor in firearms, knives, baton, and empty hands skills with 14 years of experience training professionals in public safety, private security, and the armed forces.


A Bloody Mess

When you shoot an attacker, even at close range, odds are that you will not be exposed to the attacker’s blood. Using a knife to fend off a gun-grab attack is a much more upclose and personal thing. You will be exposed to your attacker’s blood. At least you will be if your counter-attack is successful.

Arterial spray can infect you with bloodborne pathogens carried in your attacker’s body. So as you evaluate the potential effectiveness of your preferred grip on the folding knife, also evaluate targets and target angles on the body, to promote the spray of blood away from your face.

Get a book or chart displaying the circulatory system and muscle groups and think about what targets on the human body would likely be available from different angles, so that if you find yourself fighting for your life in a disadvantaged position you won’t have to rely on trial and error. There is an ancient Roman adage about the sword thrust that applies here: “Two inches in the right spot is fatal.”

Fighting with the Blade Closed


In terms of employing your knife as a last-ditch backup weapon, it is possible that the most expedient way to use it is with the blade closed. This makes your knife an improvised impact weapon.

However, you should know that legally your knife is always a deadly force weapon. If you use the knife in its closed position, you must be justified in using it with the blade deployed.

Your folding knife’s handle may make a fine weapon. But unless you can justify using the blade’s edge, you cannot use the closed knife’s handle without incurring liability.

Safety Warning


Never use a real knife in physical training with a partner. Use a training blade that is not sharp or pointed. Many knife makers sell training blades of their popular models.

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