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Video: Calif. Officers Probed for Baton Strikes

September 05, 2013  | 

VIDEO: Batons, TASER Used on Calif. Subject

Several Long Beach (Calif.) Police officers now face an internal investigation for using batons and a TASER on a man on his back near a city intersection.

Citizens captured video of the Monday arrest that unfolded at about 6 p.m. at South Street and Locust Avenue. Police responded after receiving multiple calls about a fight outside of a liquor store, reports the Los Angeles Times.

After arriving, officers encountered Porfirio Santos-Lopez, 46, who was later seen on surveillance video hitting another man in the head. A 4 1/2-minute clip posted to YouTube shows officers striking Santos-Lopez multiple times with batons after TASERing him. KTLA has posted the footage that shows Santos-Lopez assaulting the man.

Santos-Lopez, who later told officers he had taken methamphetamine, acted irrationally and punched the asphalt when approached by officers. He asked officers to kill him and later yelled, "Shoot me!"

Chief Jim McDonnell called the citizen footage "certainly disturbing" and promised a full investigation. Family members of Santos-Lopez have said he has a history of mental illness.

Comments (22)

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Chief B @ 9/5/2013 2:23 PM

It looks bad, but again, it's only a partial video. Remember Rodney King? We only saw a few seconds of, I think, a 16 minute video.

Also, I don't like the headline about officers being "Probed". It kind of leaves what they're talking about to your imagination.

Leonard Mather @ 9/5/2013 2:36 PM

Evidence appeared that Porfirio was in a fight, and struck someone on the head. He later admitted taking meth. The video shows that Tasering did not work. Rather than using the baton, it would be wiser if the 8 LEOs coordinated two officers per arm and leg. That would subdue even a meth inspired person. Once these 8 got Porfirio facing the ground, the next step would be cuffing while the other four LEOs kept Porfirio's legs immobilized. Finally, ankle chains would have him properly subdued. Porfirio's verbalizations would have to be tolerated as he was carried to the wagon. The video does demonstrate that 8 LEO's were flabbergasted and not coordinating a proper solution to a mind besotted by meth and hence unable to respond to commands. This clip will be useful on how "Not to do it."

Chris @ 9/5/2013 2:57 PM

Leonard nailed it. We don't have to see the whole video to know this situation wasn't handled properly. We learn MOC for this very reason.

Simon Hassin @ 9/5/2013 2:58 PM

The repeated taserings, especially the ones late in the incident, appear to be punishment rather than a legit attempt to gain control of the perp. The repeated taserings are also extremely dangerous. They cause enormously high levels of stress hormones and chemicals in the body. These can lead to death and have led to death, especially when the recipient has ingested dangerous drugs. The mechanism of tasering->stress chemicals->death has been documented, litigated, and accepted by the courts. Tasers or other electronic control/pain devices should be used only as absolutely needed; they are far from harmless as the manufacturer falsely claims.

Kind of a flabbergasting video. Seems to show no hurry to put him in custody; rather, standing around and apropo of nothing periodically tasering and thumping.

Henry "Bud" Johnson @ 9/5/2013 3:39 PM

Once again a video is out in the news regarding an arrest. No one is surprised. Cameras are rolling on almost every stop, or encounter.
Usually, the video depicted on the local news do not document the entire incident. However, that does not stop the "experts" on shooting off their mouths about police abuse.
Most of us on this site are law enforcement, or retired from law enforcement. We have investigated hundreds of crimes and had to sit in front of a filing DA before a complaint is filed.
I believe the entire facts should be investigated before before "fingers are pointed." I am disappointed that some of the negative remarks are made by officers, and supervisors.

westcoastleo @ 9/5/2013 3:49 PM

>>>>>>>>>>Mr Hassin>>>>>>>>> You have never been in a force incident or you are a coward acting like a LEO putting your time in this site. This guy was under the influence of alcohol along with meth and was a ding. He started a fight with a person on the street where he was punching the guy for no reason. The LEO's drove up and made every point to detain him and get him to comply. Remember we are seeing this video AFTER the fact and WE were not involved. This was going fast and I'm sure the thoughts of the LEO's wanted to go a lil slow as not to make decisions too fast. This was a very good use of force by these officers on a guy who resisted and a guy who would not follow commands and a guy who kicked and injured one of the LEO's. Mr. Hassin, go back to your day job as a Ralph's Market night stocking clerk.

LASD Supervisor
33.9 years, Still Active...

westcoastleo @ 9/5/2013 3:55 PM

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mr. Henry "Bud" Johnson>>>>>>>>>> Sir, I agree with you 100%..........

Greg Meyer @ 9/5/2013 4:01 PM

More videos are coming out on this incident, little by little. As I told the LA Times yesterday morning after seeing a very short version of one of the videos, the recording did not show the full context of the interaction or clarify exactly how he was injured, and "...we still don't know all the facts here." As more videos come out showing more of the incident, more questions arise. Those will be answered after a thorough investigations by multiple authorities, as usual. Time will tell about the propriety of what happened, and what could have been done better. It's way to early to reach firm conclusions!

Capt. Crunch @ 9/5/2013 4:03 PM

(s) Lopez, is a druged up nut case. The police had no choice but to use both baton and taser. I'll bet the victim was happy the police showed up. I guess the by-standers do not think that they could be victims some day.

Peter @ 9/5/2013 4:17 PM

The officers were justified in the amount of force that was used.The offender was not complying with several direct orders that were given..All he had to do was roll over on his stomach.Why should an officer risk getting kicked punched or bit.He's the idiot that decided to use meth.Why should an officer risk getting hurt because of a stupid decision the offender made.

Lenny @ 9/5/2013 8:24 PM

Chief B
It looks bad; You should have stopped there

Leonard Mather & Chris
Thank you, but don't try to explain anyhting to these people.
The only things they understand is force and continued infliction of pain.
They say it is to get people to comply, but they just enjoy doling it out.

Simon Hassin
You are absolutely correct, this was punishment pure and simple.
After only a few seconds of video I knew "Captain America" was going to lay a beating on that man.
The Taser IS a lethal weapon, but they don't care as long as they fall back on exited delerium.

Henry "Bud" Johnson
Unless you've been asleep for the past 50 years, cameras are everywhere.
How far back do you need the video to go to make ajudgement?
"However, that does not stop the "experts" on shooting off their mouths about police abuse."
Well you're here, are you an expert on police abuse?
I'm sure all the facts will be "entirely investigated" by the same group of dolts standing there.

Lenny @ 9/5/2013 8:25 PM

I'm sure all the facts will be "entirely investigated" by the same group of dolts standing there.

westcoastleo LASD Supervisor 33.9 years, Still Active... So what you want a prize?
I have been in many force incidents in my life some I won, some I lost, I called them fights.
I fail to see how what previously happened has anything to do with the level of force being
used here. Manuel Anthony Ramos, Jay Cicinelli, and Joe Wolfe beat Kelly Thomas to death
with their fists, previous to murder being perpetrated Thomas was sitting taking verbal abuse
from these animals and having his bag searched. With that being the case why didn't our
boys here just kill him?

Greg Meyer
As always everything you cops say about this type of thing is always the same, DELAY DELAY DELAY.
Nothing will truthfully be answered, and the idea of a thorough investigation by any type of police
force or any group which includes retired police is laughable.

Capt. Crunch
I won't waste time on any of your comments

Lenny @ 9/5/2013 8:25 PM

Right, why should an officer risk having a nail broken. You must be wonderful with kids.

JKW @ 9/6/2013 5:27 AM

Get out the checkbook Long Beach.

fedtrnr @ 9/6/2013 8:04 AM

I fail to understand why between the two of you lenny and simon, you can't seem to see that the officers showed up because someone called them for help. The bad guy (that would be: Santos-Lopez, who later told officers he had taken methamphetamine, acted irrationally and punched the asphalt when approached by officers. He asked officers to kill him and later yelled, "Shoot me!") was not the one at fault, and how the officers who responded tried to do what was right without going to the hospital themselves.

Also, I have always believed that using words you don't know how to spell makes you look stupid..................apropos of nothing.

Capt. Crunch @ 9/6/2013 9:35 AM

Hey Lenny, are you related to Santos-Lopez ? Looks like it to me.

Mr. B @ 9/6/2013 11:05 AM

I don't care how much more of the video there is when you have six or seven officers around a man that is down on the ground with no weapons you do not do what these men have done. For those of you who disagree I hope and pray that you are retired or no longer working on the force. I have been in the business for over 25 years and have never been trained in this vein.

Trigger @ 9/6/2013 11:15 AM

Excited Delirium is becoming a major problem with the current drug culture. I have attached an web link if you want more info:

Lenny @ 9/8/2013 6:00 PM

That fat bald and dumb guy sure flails a mean baton.

Motor Boots @ 9/10/2013 11:11 PM

Wow...this one sure brought out the comments.
As someone who is a use of force instructor and someone who has gone through all of my tools on by belt, except the pistol, on one person on the ground, I'm just glad the boys in blue are okay and around to talk about it.
Some of us have been to the hospital over situations like this one and some just sit at a comupter and type about things to which they can NEVER relate.

dilt @ 9/12/2013 12:57 AM

Can't you all see it? They're just administering medical attention. Gloving up and checking his reflexes. Probably performed a rectal exam on the way to the precinct.

Sir! @ 9/23/2013 10:12 PM

Too long video! By-standards flicked out.

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