Calif. Campus Cops Shoot, Kill Student During Struggle

Coolhandluke @ 12/11/2012 8:06 AM

Very Sad!

RICHARD ISAACS @ 12/11/2012 5:23 PM

SAD, BUT AFTER 10 MINUTES OF FIGHTING FATIGUE SETS IN AND ACADEMY TAUGHT DEFENSE MOVES GO RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW. WHEN THE SUSP GOT HOLD OF THE OFFICERS DEFENSIVE WEAPONS, LITTLE WAS LEFT TO DO. I WOULD LIKE TO VIEW THE OFFICERS TRAINING RECORDS AND USE OF FORCE COMPLAINTS.

Ron Martinelli @ 12/11/2012 5:45 PM

This is a tragic situation on many levels. First, CSUSB had an EDP as a student on campus who was off his meds and had some "flicker moments" that day and prior to that day were not properly addressed. Now the campus had to "5150" the EDP.

Next, the incident points out why campus cops need to have all less lethal and lethal force options and the proper training available to them. This is not the time nor the environment for political correctness. Give the cops what they need to do their jobs safely and effectively.

EDPs should be allowed to attend colleges, but they do experience and present with occassional agitated choatic behavior that public safety must respond to. Again, cops need the proper training and safety equipment to help quickly stabilize the EDP and protect themselves and others.

Next, OC spray is ineffective on the vast majority of agitated EDPs. There were sufficient communication, physical, behavioral and psychological "cues" provided to the officers that let them know that the man was pain resistant and/or impervious to pain.

Impact weapons are intended to create both pain and trauma. However, in order for a baton to work, you've got to know how to really HIT someone with it. No half measures with batons. You gotta be "all in!" Might I suggest the Rapid Control Baton (RCB) by Peacekeeper International. Far superior to ASP and delivers many more times the kenetic energy needed for smaller framed officers to take down the "big, bad, guys."

Next, let's get serious in CA and bring back the carotid restraint hold. It's all about knowing HOW to properly apply it so it doesn't become a dangerous "choke hold." If you are willing to give an officer the deadly force option, as an administrator, you should be smart enough to trust them with a properly applied carotid restraint.

Finally, when a suspect disarms an officer and is beating another officer half to death, all bets are off.

Random @ 12/12/2012 12:24 AM

Didn’t any else get trained to continue effectively after getting OC sprayed with open eyes or was that just hazing?

Big Dog @ 12/12/2012 6:05 AM

Sad for the loss of life, however you have to do whatever it takes to stay in control