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Seattle Police Call DOJ Reform 'Wildly Unrealistic'

May 16, 2012  | 

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The Seattle Police Department is objecting to reforms proposed by the U.S. Department of Justice as wildly unrealistic and expensive, according to documents reviewed by the Associated Press.

The Department of Justice (DOJ) presented its confidential settlement proposal to the city at the end of March, after finding that Seattle police regularly used illegal force, often for minor offenses. Federal attorneys threatened to sue unless the problems were fixed.

The Associated Press reviewed a copy of the proposal Tuesday, which shows the DOJ wants the city to change policies, add to training for officers and hire more sergeants to supervise patrol officers. The city must also agree to the appointment of an outside monitor, at city expense.

Read the full Associated Press/Seattle Times story.

Tags: Excessive Force, Seattle PD, External Investigations


Comments (16)

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Frank Dawson @ 5/17/2012 3:55 PM

Who is watching over A.G. Holder? Remember when he said "white americans were cowards when it came to race relations", and what about Fast & Furious. DOJ and Holder should clean their own house before issuing mandates. Retired USM.

Deputy Joe @ 5/17/2012 4:19 PM

Now, ain't that a kick in the pants? The Holder DOJ wants to enforce rules like this on Seattle on use of force. I can't think of a bigger thug than Holder - someone should insist he have a court appointed monitor for his departments insane actions over the past 3 1/2 years.

Tom Ret @ 5/17/2012 4:26 PM

If this goes through, Seattle residents will have to pony up some significant extra funds for all those sergeants. More sergeants probably means less patrolmen taking calls. That means prioritizing calls and/or increasing response times. That will give the citizens something else to complain about. With Holder at the helm, the so called justice department is being pretty hypocritical attacking SPD when it has so many problems itself.

Larry @ 5/17/2012 4:55 PM

Just an attempt to nationalize the police forces under the feds one by one. Keep local control and just force the local politicians and managers to deal with it.

Lt Dan @ 5/17/2012 6:43 PM

Eric Holder is nothing more than the muscle enforcer for Obama. In previous administrations his BS would have got him fired before now. One more way to force the Federal govt into everyone's life. Let the locals handle their issues, if there truly are issues.

Ret. Dave @ 5/17/2012 9:27 PM

Either give the USDOJ the keys to the Chief's office and let them run the department. Let them do the staffing, hiring, test prep, scoring, write the training curricula, handle the discipline, ride on calls. Write the budget, procedures. Specifying, purchasing, bidding on the 1,000's of items a Police Department needs.

Or just tell the people of Seattle that to comply with their orders would make it too expensive to have police department and that as of a certain date, the department would be shut down.

Robocop @ 5/18/2012 2:48 AM

The DOJ needs to clean their own house before instructing anyone else on policy. AG Holder is a thug and a bigot all rolled into one. He should be in prison because of his actions and inaction while AG.

Rick @ 5/18/2012 8:47 AM

Seattle has long had a reputation as one of the most Liberal municipal police agencies in the nation! The issue now is that we have an anti-white, Afrocentric Dept. of Justice and they fully intend to force their Socialist Agenda on every law enforcement agency in this nation. If they can do this to Seattle, no police agency is safe. Or is this the begining of a federal takeover of law enforcement? A national/political police modeled on say the old Soviet Union would be approriate for this President. November is coming and I have Hope for Change!

Ima Leprechaun @ 5/18/2012 8:51 AM

There is always room for improvement in any agency. If the DOJ wants change they should at least help pay for it. But in some cases I have seen agencies so out of control that the DOJ is the only way to relieve the problem. They have an incredibly tough job lets give them a little credit. If the Law Enforcement Agency's were doing their job right in the first place the DOJ wouldn't even be there.

Doug M. @ 5/18/2012 8:52 AM

The fed's arrogance is exceeded only by their arrogance. They don't know what they don't know. A few episodes that can be questioned, and a lot of second guessing uses of force by people who are judging on appearance not on the controlling legal standard and who are not even arguably qualified is not a basis for the actions being taken there. Watch "de-policing" come to Seattle.

Rick @ 5/18/2012 9:11 AM

"Ima" is either naive or a federal employee. All prosecutions and investigations undertaken by DOJ are based upon the political climate of whomever is Attorney General at that time. Where was the discipline and punishment for Waco or Ruby Ridge? It is absurd to imply that a municipal police agency can be out of control in this age of 24/7 news cycles. The ugly reality is that the DOJ is out of control, as in the case of Fast & Furious and they and only they are above the law. I have a feeling Ima is a big Obama supporter.

uslawman1983 @ 5/18/2012 10:13 AM

BO's henchman Holder spends more time going after honorable poilce/sheriffs than he does The New Black Panthers. WTH?!?!

udaman @ 5/18/2012 6:01 PM

They are lucky they did not participate in "racial profiling" like here in AZ. The DOJ would have been all over their a## with no warning letter. Being on the cusp of "Fast & Furious", I agree that the DOJ should take the log out of their eye before pointing out the splinter in another's.

Jim @ 5/19/2012 8:42 AM

Sounds like an old "Saturday Night Live" skit to me. Remember the theme music from the movie, "Jaws". Then someone from outside the door knocking and a voice saying, "Obamagram". No answer. "Holdergram". Still no answer.

I say that Seattle PD should say "go ahead and sue us, then pay for it." Or better yet, shoot through the door.

DOJ is accusing Seattle PD of being thugs. That is not true. But I do say that when you point at someone else, there are more fingers pointing back at you! DOJ is just a bunch of highly-appointed thugs and self-appointed, misguided, misinformed, office-sitting idiots. Who is investigating them. The NRA is asking for an open investigation into the DOJ wrong-doing, but the government suddenly does not have much to say. I say, "DOJ, Go Away."

Was I gentle enough?
Jim A

Bob@Az. @ 5/21/2012 12:30 PM

Hey Jim, your showing your age by citing SNL skits that were actually funny, unlike the current crap. I agree 100% with you as to the thugs comments. Wonder what happened to "transparency" in goverment? The DOJ has been " investagating" our Sheriff for over three years without coming up with anything real. Imagine the cost to citizens.

brian @ 5/23/2012 2:03 PM

OH NOES! PEOPLES WANTS SOME UNBIASED OFFICIAL WATCHING OVER US MAKING SURE WE DON'T SCREW OVER CITIZENS AND ARREST FOLKS UNLAWFULLY FOR PROFIT! OH POOR US!!!

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