LAPD Adopts Policy for Transgender Stops
April 13, 2012
Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck has issued a new policy covering how officers must deal with members of the transgender community during stops and searches.
When an officer stops a man who's dressed as a woman, he must think twice before addressing the person as "sir" or "ma'am," the Associated Press reports.
The memo also bars officers from frisking individuals or questioning them for the sole purpose of learning their anatomical gender. As with non-transgender stops, when an immediate body search for weapons is required for safety, officers of any gender may conduct the search.
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martyb @ 4/16/2012 4:57 PM
"Pardon Me "Ma'm"... "Is that a Glock sticking out of your crotchless underwear or are you really glad to see me."
Jeez... Political Correctness strikes again... and again... and again...
Capt David LACO Retired @ 4/16/2012 5:51 PM
Have you ever seen a real Hollywood drag queen? You would never know "IT" is a man. This chief is an idiot.
Copstructor @ 4/16/2012 6:39 PM
Political correctness??? Hollywood Drag Queen?
We are talking about transgender not transvestite. The lack of education amongst police officers is very evident with the previous comments. I will admit that I was in that naive position until I started researching the issue. A person that is transGENDER is born with a cognitive gender which is in contrast with their physical appearance. It is an naturally occurring variance of human genetic development. It is no more a choice for them than either of the above spokespersons for becoming the male sex and gender in agreement in one person. There is not enough space to explain here all that occurs but mocking someone that is different is old school. For the same reasons, it is why we can't rise above having those in our ranks that behave like bullies, untouchables, and criminals that we read about and see on social media, and pay millions for their gaffes and screw-ups. It is also why we still have others cover for them--because they are afraid of having their flaws exposed. Rise above trying to be the "stage comic' and getting the laughs and get educated instead and learn about that which you do not understand. It is the lack of understanding one another that creates fear and promotes hatred.
eberhart 72nd @ 4/17/2012 6:10 AM
Copstructor you make sense, though I have to admitt the political chief does appear as an idiot on numerous occasions.
cb74 @ 4/17/2012 8:27 AM
While the previous comments were not exactly an accurate description of transgender, neither is yours. You describe transgender as a “cognitive gender which is in contrast with their physical appearance.” Some transgendered persons are born with both male and female genitalia. But what about those adults who grow up as males, marry and have children, then decide to change their gender? Was this natural? The cognitive gender theory is just that, a theory. “Cognitive psychologists assume that changes in gender role behavior reflect changes in how children understand and think about gender.” In the same way that people theorize we all evolved from monkeys, cognitive gender theory is not observable.
APA says, “Transgender is an umbrella term for persons whose gender identity, gender expression, or behavior does not conform to that typically associated with the sex to which they were assigned at birth. Gender identity refers to a person’s internal sense of being male, female, or something else; gender expression refers to the way a person communicates gender identity to others through behavior, clothing, hairstyles, voice, or body characteristics.”
Web4health says, “Transgender can include a number of sub-categories, which, among others, including transsexual, cross-dressing, transvestite, consciously androgynous people, people who are genderqueer, people who live cross-gender, drag kings and drag queens, among many others. Usually not included, because in most cases it is not a gender issue (although in practice the line can be hard to draw) are transvestic fetishists.”
cb74 @ 4/17/2012 8:27 AM
continued for Copstructor. News flash. Not everyone who makes a joke or disagrees with this lifestyle is a bully or a hater. A trendy word that is thrown around quite often is Homophobe. Liberals and the media love to label anyone who has a different perspective on this issue as Homophobe. Those who preach tolerance are only tolerant if you agree with their view. We tolerate all people with love and respect. We value every life equally. We do not tolerate ideas to be equally valid or true. If we all agreed then there is nothing to tolerate. “According to the American Psychiatric Association, a phobia is an irrational and excessive fear of an object or situation. In most cases, the phobia involves a sense of endangerment or a fear of harm.” So anyone who disagrees with this lifestyle has an irrational mental illness. In 1973, the APA removed homosexuality as a disorder. Funny how today those who simply disagree with it are labeled with a disorder.
I agree with you that education is important for law enforcement. We should encourage our brothers and sisters to learn about various cultures and subcultures so we can serve them with the same level of professionalism we give everyone else. I think the Chief is trying to get his officers to recognize the need to be sensitive to certain cultures. That is something worth applauding. That doesn’t imply that officers can’t still hold their own personal or religious beliefs and not be made to feel they need to apologize for holding those beliefs.
copstructor @ 4/17/2012 1:24 PM
Thank you cb74 for your help in explaining who transgendered persons are. As I held, there is a lot more that needs explaining than I had space for. Your APA site is in my library, but the UK site was not, thank you. In my statement I used 'cognitive' in the sense of the definition:
"of or pertaining to the mental processes of perception, memory, judgment, and reasoning, " and was not referring to the use of Cognitive theory. I was trying to express it as a contrast between internal and external identification.
Here are a couple of additional sites helpful in understanding the complexity:
The LAPD is not the first department to enact policy for working with trans persons. Washington DC is a prime example of a department reaching out for understanding of this community. Chicago is another. Currently research is being done in the Chicago area on the relationship between police and the transgender community. For more information:
As for a definition
Who are transgender people?
From the TLPI (Transgender Law and Policy Institute):
"We use the term "transgender" in its most inclusive sense, as an umbrella term encompassing: pre-operative, post-operative, and non-operative transsexual people; cross-dressers; feminine men and masculine women; and more generally, anyone whose gender identity or expression differs from conventional expectations of masculinity or femininity."
Another study that you may like to read is
In response to your news flash, you are right not everyone who makes a racist joke, an ethnic comment or assumption, or expresses a stereotype is a
copstructor @ 4/17/2012 1:28 PM
Continued for cb74
In response to your news flash, you are right not everyone who makes a racist joke, an ethnic comment or assumption, or expresses a stereotype is a bully or a hater, they are just enablers for those who are.
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