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911 Caller Arrested After Fatal OIS

March 29, 2012  | 

Pasadena (Calif.) Police have arrested Oscar Carrillo and booked him on suspicion of manslaughter of an unarmed college student who was shot by officers after Carrillo told a dispatcher he was robbed at gunpoint.

"Mr. Carrillo emphatically indicated a gun was involved ... that is very important. It sets the platform for the mind-set of the responding officers," Pasadena Police Chief Phillip Sanchez said at a news conference Wednesday.

An officer shot 19-year-old Kendrec McDade on a narrow street in the city's Northwest district about 11 p.m. Saturday, reports the Los Angeles Times.

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Capt David LACO Retired @ 3/29/2012 7:20 PM

Should be an interesting story

TimFromLA @ 3/29/2012 8:25 PM

It should be Capt. Especially when a panicked civilian who says he saw a gun, and then there was an OIS. Goes to show unlike you a professional, maybe that Stand Your Ground defense may not be so smart after all

Wolf @ 3/29/2012 9:19 PM

I'm curious, was the man actually robbed? Did he admit he lied about the gun, or is it possible the student ditched it before the cops got there? Or, is it just a case of an idiot trying to get someone in trouble?

Stand your ground has nothing to do with this story. Dunno why Tim would bring it up.

AirMooseOne @ 3/29/2012 9:34 PM

Something doesn't quite sound right. Although the original allegation may "set the mindset" of the responding officers, you still don't go around ventilating the suspect without cause. That is why there are Use-of-Force matrices. Either the press got it wrong (Shocker!) or the officer screwed up. I doubt the officer screwed up.

Rob in FL @ 3/30/2012 7:03 AM

TimFromLA: Are you referring to Florida's so-called "Stand Your Ground" law? The truth is that a specific "stand your ground" law does not exist in Florida, except in the minds of liberal media types and their followers (kind of like "Saturday Night Special" being used to refer to inexpensive handguns). Frankly, I think they chose "stand your ground" as a catchy phrase that suggests armed confrontation is somehow OK in Florida, and that's simply not true. Of the 11 subsections of Florida Statute 776, entitled "Justifiable Use of Force," one of these subsections includes a provision that "a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony." Preserving one's life from imminent attack is the most fundamental civil right I can think of; a civil rights activitist of note agrees with me: " ...the right to defend one's home and one's person when attacked has been guaranteed through the ages by common law." ― Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Off3 @ 3/30/2012 7:11 AM

Half the stories posted here are ridiculously thin when it comes to facts. A few paragraphs like this is hardly newsworthy when we can't get any information from it. Force continuums are ridiculous as well. The standard is was the use of force reasonable... Not did you use verbal commands, then pepper spray, then your baton, then your taser, then hands on, then shot him. It sets a ridiculous standard that isn't in line with case law.

That said, the story is hinky. We can't hose people just because we are told they might have a gun. A lot is missing.

Wayne L Chonicki @ 3/30/2012 7:43 AM

As for the story a presented on this site, insufficient data. As a resident Floridian, a word on the recent Martin shooting. Back story on both shooter and the victim... neither's history is squeaky-clean HOWEVER, that being said, we must focus upon the FIRST precipitating fault. VOLUNTEER non-sworn Zimmerman had been told by the Sanford PD Dispatcher that once he had reported the suspicious person... to NOT ENGAGE further. To withdraw to a safe distance and that officers were en-route. No officer wants... on a dark rainy night... to have to employ the wisdom-of-Solomon to sort out who's the potential assailant in a split second potential life-or-death decision. Everything that took place thereafter... was precipitated by Zimmerman's FREE choice to DISOBEY the Dispatcher's 'common sense' recommendation. What advice is told by most departments for off-duty officers present at a criminal event! If immediate risk of loss-of-life is NOT emminent, your role is to be an Expert Witness. Our Law is predicated upon the assumption of the actions of 'a prudent & reasonable man'. Zimmerman was neither ~ A young man's life is forfeit.

TripWire @ 3/30/2012 7:53 AM

Rob from FL:
Well said. Double thumbs up.
I would add that the so called "Stand your ground law" is merely an extionsion of the Castle Doctrine, which has roots in English Common Law.

TripWire @ 3/30/2012 7:57 AM

"extension". (it seems my dislexia is adding er, acting up)

Laura @ 3/30/2012 9:08 AM

Read the attached story before judging the officers... Security cameras reviewed later show the computer was stolen from his car. He was not robbed at gun point! Also 2 officers fired on the victim when they saw him reach toward his waist band. They fired fearing for their safety. Carrillo not the police has a lot of explaining to do!

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