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Shots Fired: Skokie, Illinois 08/25/2008

Officer Tim Gramins pursued a bank robbery suspect and ended up in a deadly duel.

February 08, 2012  |  by - Also by this author

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A residential street was the setting for Skokie Police Officer Tim Gramins' gunfight with a robbery suspect. Photo: Skokie PD
A residential street was the setting for Skokie Police Officer Tim Gramins' gunfight with a robbery suspect. Photo: Skokie PD

Suddenly Maddox was right on top of Gramins. Both men aimed their guns through the driver's window of Gramins' car and squeezed their triggers.

Impasse

CLICK!

If the thought that their firearms might run dry at the exact same moment had been unexpected by the men, its eventuality didn't seem to faze either. Both compensated without a second's hesitation, Maddox doubling back for the cover of his own car as Gramins exited his.

Liberating himself from the patrol car, Gramins escaped a confined kill zone and availed himself a number of tactical options for dealing with the suspect. But he'd also momentarily lost sight of Maddox, who he thought might've re-entered the Bonneville with the intent of retrieving a second weapon. Gramins positioned himself between it and the front of his patrol unit where he knelt and fed in a second magazine.

The slide of his pistol had just chambered a fresh round when Maddox was back in view along the left side of the Bonneville and re-engaging him, probably with a second handgun.

Gramins returned fire, scurrying down along the driver's side of his patrol car and around the trunk so as to get an eye forward along the passenger side of his unit.

Realizing that Maddox had moved up on his patrol car, too, Gramins ducked down on the passenger side. Seeing the Glock in lockback, he fed in a third
magazine.

Maddox and Gramins then began a deadly game of cat and mouse, firing on each other from opposite sides of the patrol vehicle. One would rise and fire as the other would duck.

Aim Better

Back and forth it went until Gramins saw Maddox sink below his visual plane again. He decided to try a different tactic. Seeing that the patrol car was canted up on the crest of the street, the officer wondered if he couldn't skip some rounds off the asphalt at Maddox.

Gramins went prone, and resumed firing under the patrol car in Maddox's direction, more point shooting than not. But as he visually tracked his shots' placement, he realized that his rounds were impacting the tire and the underside of his unit.

Not good, Gramins thought. You need to aim better.

He paused, took a breath and a second to consciously line his sights up on what he could see of Maddox's head as the man crouched on the downslope of the opposite side of the street. Slowing himself down, Gramins locked in his sights on the suspect's head and fired a three-round volley in rapid succession.

Maddox went down.

Gramins paused, peering beneath the vehicle's frame and keeping an eyeline on Maddox's prostrate form. Blood pooled about Maddox's head.

Gramins keyed his portable mic to get paramedics rolling but kept getting stepped on by the coordination of units responding to his location.

A plainwrap manned by Skokie PD detectives Jose Mendez and Jessie Barnes  was the first unit on scene. Seeing the extent of Maddox's injuries, Mendez kicked the suspect's handgun to the side before handcuffing him while Barnes checked on Gramins. Gramins and Maddox were then transported to St. Francis Hospital where Maddox was pronounced dead and Gramins spent the night before being released the next day.

17 Hits

Gramins believes that the second time Maddox engaged him it was probably with a second handgun that he had, a Bersa Blue Thunder .380. But save for a few cuts to his chin from flying debris, Gramins came out of the shooting mentally and physically unscathed.

It was a different story for Maddox.

Tags: Shots Fired, Bank Robberies, Skokie (Ill.) PD


Comments (24)

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JJ Gollliday @ 2/9/2012 6:22 PM

God All Mighty, someone get some remedial training for that 911 operator. Sheeeeesh!! Thank God that there was at least one concerned citizen that tried to assist the officer. Kudos to the citizen and officer.

Tschako @ 2/9/2012 10:08 PM

From the look of the Bersa, it seems Grammins got a hit on it too, probably through the AH's hand. At first it sounded like "spray and pray", but I'd never critique a shooting where someone is shooting back, especially if the cop wins. 17 hits to end this....unbelieveable!
It ended the way it should. Way to go!

Capt David-retired LA Cou @ 2/10/2012 9:33 AM

That jammed cartridge in the perps pistol could have been in the LEO's, my main reason for still loving a wheel gun...

jMendez202 @ 2/10/2012 3:38 PM

Having been witness to how Gramins reacted under that amazing stress, and came out of it without a scratch amazes me to this day. You got him and got home to your kids and wife, which is what we all strive to do. I'm glad to know you, and I'm proud to work with you, Partner! Way to go.

Retired Cop's Kid @ 2/11/2012 11:39 AM

I highly doubt the bad guy cleaned his pistols like the officer does. Probabaly why it jammed

JB249 @ 2/11/2012 12:55 PM

Hey Cap

I'll put you and your wheel gun on a shot clock and lets see how fast you can get 36 rounds off. Personally I will stick with the glock and 17 round mags......Six revolver reloads is not my cup of tea if I'm being shot at.

Morning Eagle @ 2/11/2012 7:08 PM

One point not to miss here is to ALWAYS, always, always carry extra ammo. And if you carry a back up of a different caliber, carry at least a couple of re-loads for that too. Ya just never know! Excellent job Officer Gramins. Thanks for sharing. Wow, 17 hits from a .45 and the guy was still active until the hits to the head. Amazing, and sobering. The dependability of the revolver does make it the prefered back up for many experienced officers, especially those that have experienced jams in a semi-auto.

snipert @ 2/12/2012 2:33 PM

So Maddox Fires 22 rounds at Gramins with two different semi-auto handguns a 9mm and .380. Maddox has an SKS Assault Rifle in the car loaded with thirty Rounds ready to go. Maddox has no hits. Gramins fires 33 .45 caliber rounds from a Glock 21 with 17 hits. This shootout takes over sixty seconds of sustained fire. I think you can love a wheel gun, just leave it at home and bring your Glock to the gun fight! Yes bring as much ammo as you can carry on you!! The criminals once again are out gunning the Police. Train and Be Ready your turn can come.

snipert @ 2/12/2012 3:27 PM

Hell bring the wheel gun along for a third gun. Maddox 9mm s&w had the fail to eject on the last round in the mag. Bersa was done in by a .45 caliber hit through Maddoxs hand. Good thing it was over before Maddox could get out the SKS. As Police Officer death rates are again on the rise might be time to start slinging ARs.

Ms911 @ 2/12/2012 6:59 PM

I hope that you will all support those working with NENA/APCO Joint Committee for Mandatory Standards for 9-1-1 Dispatcher Training.

SP6468 @ 2/13/2012 7:50 AM

Officer Grammins did an outstanding job. His preparation and determination to succeed in that situation is amazing.

1805 @ 2/13/2012 8:27 AM

Great article. Glad he is safe. Since I am familiar with the area, I always wanted to know more about the call. I do have a question about the a quote in the article.

"But even with all that training and a round in the chamber, each of Gramins' available 12-round gun magazines came into play that day-and he had a mere four rounds left when the smoke cleared."

Why does he only have 12 rounds? My G21 has 13 and one in the chamber.

Just wondering if it was a typo or did he always have one less in his mag than it allows?

Penny @ 2/13/2012 6:58 PM

I had the honor of working with Officer Gramins. He is one of the most outstanding officers on any police force.Officer Gramins survived that day due to his training and his constant drive for more training of veteran and new officers.Outstanding job Officer Gramins! And I totally agree with Ms911 that there should be mandatory standards for 911 dispatchers!!!!

R. G. Montgomery @ 2/14/2012 6:51 PM

Just over a 50% hit rate. Officer Gramins beats the national average of near 30%.

He won the fight when he realized he needed to 'get his front sight' and actually make some serious hits. Did anyone notice that?

I am so disgusted by so called 'experts' who draw pay for deciding not to bother with marksmanship training as cops don't hit much anyway. No need to train actual shooting ability, we'll just issue guns with more rounds.

Officer Gramins, you performed well. Most importantly, you won the engagement and attended your son's birthday party. You can have a beer - or a Coke - on me whenever. Just keep reminding people about that front sight. Some of our brethren seem to have forgotten it.

Monica - Tim's sister @ 2/14/2012 9:33 PM

Our family remains grateful for Tim's survival of this day. I can't comment on the specifics of Tim's training or his gun, etc. What I can say is that I am really proud of my brother and know what an amazing father, husband, brother, uncle, son, colleague and friend he is to those of us who know and love him. We are so grateful you had the will and training to back you!

Shawn @ 2/19/2012 6:26 PM

Had that "resident cheerleader" been a concealed weapon holder (and due to our 2nd amendment rights he should have been) this story would have had a much shorter and cleaner ending. Being a Texas CHL, had I been the witness to a shooting like this, I would have engaged the threat seconds after he fired his first shots at the officer. This sort of thing is a reminder to us all as to why defending our constitutional rights are SO important.

Rich @ 3/22/2012 2:07 PM

I heard that the dispatcher was given the boot...what the hell was she thinking transfering the caller to the Fire Department? Even the caller was like..."the fire department?" Talk about no common sense, you cant train people to have it, you either have it or you dont. Lincolnwood ought to make this a test question for future dispatcher tests. Do you A. call for police units to respond, or B call the fire department. Hummmmm duh?

Robert Dombrow @ 5/25/2012 12:36 PM

We need to pray God's protection over all of these dedicated men and women, who stand between us and the criminal element, 365 days a year. This was truly a miracle - praise God for His protection for this officer, his family, Skokie, and all good people everwhere.

usmcvet @ 7/12/2012 3:32 AM

Well done officer. I have three kids I plan to make it home to every night too. Someone asked about the magazines, some people are taught to download their magazines by a round. The military teaches 28 rounds in a 30 round magazine. I load mine all the way too.

Corey @ 7/14/2012 7:52 PM

If we were not in such an anti-gun state maybe that citizen that was yelling to "get him" could have been able to help and shoot back. The only people unarmed in this state are the good guys. We're lucky the cops can still carry guns. And we wonder why Chicago has one of the highest murder rates in the nation. Its because we are prevented from being armed while the bad guys still are. They don't listen to the laws. thats why they are BAD GUYS.

Traaxx @ 8/28/2012 5:35 PM

I can't say any comment made above is wrong or that I disagree with them, but really 17 hits with a .45 ACP what was Maddox on. That's a lot of lead to take and still keep fighting. This is like the Miami Shootout in the 80's that started the 10mm and 40 S&W on the road.

On a sour note, Gramins put that many rounds down range without a thought of innocent bystanders? His training has to be called into question. If a CHL did that, the hue and cry would never end. If R. G. Montgomery, above, is right and Gramin had a 50% hit rate at that range and was a SWAT member, something is wrong with his training or his overall awareness. I'm glad he survived and didn't get wounded and I doubt I'd do any better and probably much worse, but then again I don't get to <b>train as a police oficer or undergo constant SWAT training<b>. <i>This guy should have been better under control<i> emotionally and professionally? :(

Whatever......................................................................................

Traaxx

Keith @ 12/12/2012 12:35 PM

17 hits out of 36 or 37 possible? Excellent work in any fight and incredible when you've just been ambushed and you're starting way behind the curve and you not only manage to get 17 hits and end the fight with some ammo left, but also manage to not get hit! And reality is a .45 isn't significantly better then a 9mm and a determined opponent can fight through just about anything short of a hit that takes out CNS.

Rob @ 12/30/2012 3:22 PM

Keith I agree with you 100%. And Traaxx as for as your back ground. If someone is trying to kill you and you have no where to retreat to your gonna shoot back. It's all the will to survive and if you have it, you're gonna do what it takes to succeed.

rossco @ 4/20/2013 8:26 PM

Traxx you are a worthless POS. This man just survived and won a horrific gunfight and youre gonna call into question his marksmanship. You sir are the problem and downfall of this country. How do you sleep at night. TROLL.

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