RE: Does Training Save Money

In the other post, Irishone showed you several articles that prove that training in general will save you money on liability issues, Failure to train is definitely one of the levels of vicarious liability that make an agency pay out on negligence and civil rights claims.

On the other issues, I suggest you look at two main areas. One is human resource management magazines and textbooks. They will clearly show that many people leave jobs because they are not receiving training and the new company does train. They will also show you how to calculate for your agency, or general estimates of the cost of replacing a person. Any good Chief should already know the cost of turnover. You should only need to show him how the training cuts turnover.

Medical costs are usually related to training only indirectly. Properly trained officers will use force appropriately, reducing the injuries to prisoners and themselves. A fitness training program has also been shown (and the HR publications will prove it) to help reduce sick call and medical insurance costs.

The liability insurance savings could best be obtained directly from whoever provides the insurance to your agency or city. They would be able to show how a history of fewer claims or winning cases could reduce the costs.

Some agencies you might contact for more information are:

The Texas Municipal League provides many municipalities in Texas insurance and might have some help for you:
http://www.tmlirp.org/tmlirp/index.html

The Public Agency Training Council has classes on reducing liability and may have some research that can help you:
http://www.patc.com/

The International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association (I think I remembered it right): (I had trouble with the page not loading, I hope it is back up for you when you check).
http://www.ileeta.org/

The International Association of Directors of Law Enforcement Standards and Training:
http://www.iadlest.org/

RE: Does Training Save Money

Steve, there is a lot of info out there on this topic and the FBI is a great source for it depending on how you write the query. I want PTRC1 to catch up on what is already posted before I post any more goodies.

RE: Does Training Save Money

Properly trained officers will use force appropriately, reducing the injuries to prisoners and themselves.I want PTRC1 to catch up on what is already posted before I post any more goodies.......................................NishaDid you see it? One more time? You won't get faked out here!

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RE: Does Training Save Money

How is "properly trained" evaluated? What is properly trained to one person, may not be to another...so what controls are in place to do this type of evaluation? There has to be some sort of "quality control" system in place, and who sets the criteria for these controls?

RE: Does Training Save Money

Iris, you are responding to a bot message I think. Note the lack of continuity in the main post (quotes from different messages above it) and the spam web site that did not work as a link.

But, the question of properly trained is a real problem. There is only one way to know, and that is to see if the jury agrees when someone sues for a lack of training. You can train and test to see if they know the material, then you can check if the incident meets your interpretation of the law and rules. But, the courts are the final decision maker and the jury of 12 citizens, good and true, will have the say on the matter as the trier of fact.

RE: Does Training Save Money

I might have responded to a bot like creature, and you are correct. It is sad to see that the "test" for training law enforcement people in their jobs is how many law suits they get filed before they make the needed changes. I think a much simpler test should be, to evaluate the kinds and types of citizen complaints an agency receives.

Complaints are a good thing, as much can be learned about the quality of training recruits and AOT are getting. Citizen complaints are great management tools and so are surveys conducted by unions to evaluate command staff. After all, the rank and file is a direct reflection of who they work for. Poor work ethic, poor morale, poor interactions with the public are all reflections of their supervisors.

I heard a pretty ignorant Lt., in the LASD tell a class of students (Complaint Intake Process) that civilians make complaints out of revenge. Question is, is revenge the same as looking for justice when a civilian is a victim of police misconduct? In my mind revenge and seeking justice are interchangeable terms, almost one in the same. I would ask any officer out there, how would you feel if one of your loved ones was a victim of police misconduct, would you seek revenge, or justice? The part of the class where this Lt., uttered was changed, because he should have known better than to say something so ridiculous.

My Master's is in Organizational Mgmt., and one of the courses I took for the program was exactly on the topic of training and leadership. There is a huge difference between being a leader and a manager/supervisor, knowing the difference is a huge factor in whether or not people you supervise will be successful in their own careers. As we discussed in other threads, we know there are people put in leadership positions who should not be there, simply because they are not qualified, hence, the Peter Principle. Sadly, these unqualified people will be the downfall of any business or agency.

Maybe there is some need for a process to quantify, track and analyze the success or failure of training programs. FINI

Training saves money, especially if it's managed correctly

As a representative for a company that provides Police Training Management systems (and other corporate forms of Learning Management systems that provide training, store records/results, manage classroom/field training and online distance learning) I think it's clear that training programs will save you money, depending on how much you pay for a system vs. the benefits of that system. For example, for legal issues, if you need to pull a transcript training record of an officer (or even canine) quickly, you're saving both time and money with a system such as ours. The more often required, the easier it is to justify buying a system. Also, if you want to provide a measurable way of providing online training, a training management system does this - so not only are you reinforcing training with little quizes or "just-in-time" content such as updated policies, but you can additionally save money that previously would be directed towards classroom courses (instructors, hours, sending officers off to academy, etc.). Las Vegas, one of the users of our system, has probably seen savings of hundreds of thousands of dollars a year just because of the last reason given. Take a look http://www.syberworks.com/police-training-management-systems.htm