RE: Glock

Well, I guess the Officers currently toting "cocked and locked" will still be allowed to do so, as well they should. Our Officers are issued Glock model 22. I have always found any Glock pistol to be durable and extremely reliable, going bang each time the trigger is pressed. So...now it's time for the detractors of "drastic plastic", "combat tupperware", etc. to chime in.
I think I would stay away from the compensated model...go do a low light course with one and convince yourself.
I converted a former Department to Glocks, got an excellent deal, and the factory ran the serial numbers in accordance to badge number for ease of issuance and accountability.
Good luck, and if you decide to go with the Glocks and need a good transition training course contact me and I'll hook you up gratis.

RE: Glock

Cant say enough good things about GLOCK, carry a 26 for off duty.
That weapon has never failed ,smoothly fires every round you feed it, flawless performance.
The TENIFER coating makes for very easy clean up, very nice.

RE: Glock

I carry a 1911 series 80 most everyday
I also have a Model 21 Gee-lock that I purchased back in 92
Sometimes I holster my P-220 Sig and oddly enough, I transition from one to the other fairly easily.
If My hand was smaller, I'd not like the glock at all.
I'm sorry your Chief doesn't care for the Sigs...... That's a Shame..... a neighboring agency bought about 75 of them and they sent an Armorer over for a week long school at that agency for the cost of room and board. I got to attend..... YAY

Glock still likes folks to travel to Smyrna I hear.
Our S.O. transitioned from "Carry whatever you're big enuff to holster" to the full sized SIG in 357 Sig.
I'm of the opinion that MAKING a guy used to carrying a Rake switch to an Axe is dangerous for him, and the other guys around him..
JMHO

RE: Glock

I have always preferred the carry what you feel comfortable with theory myself. I think the rules will still allow our guys to carry personal weapons after the switch. it wasn't mentioned either way except for the statement that the Chief thought some would switch back to issued weapons if we went Glock.

Yarbrough, I carried the 22C for about 5 years with my previous agency, including the night fires and low light stuff (worked 4 pm to 4 am shift, so we did quite a few night fires). Using Speer Gold Dot ammo, I never had a problem with the muzzle flash coming up or blocking my vision more than with a non-compensated version. But it is a good point that I should make sure to be fair and let him try it at night too.

RE: Glock

Steve,
Gold Dot is good stuff and what we carry. Low flash due to the propellent used in the cartridge. Good terminal ballistics, which is what really counts. "Lawman" is loaded the same, so it's realistic training ammo. I still prefer a good frictional grip and proper trigger manipulation/reset for recoil control, and don't like powder/gases blowing up in my face during extreme CQB contact distance service of the target. "Back to basics" training on grip/stance/trigger is the way to address shooters with difficulty controlling the firearm. A lot of this can be done "dry fire". Another option is to install a recoil compensating guide rod, which seems to help. I also like the titanium striker which decreases lock time. As always, aftermarket accessories should be approved by policy/installed by Armorer. Glock offers Armorer courses at many locations. Check glocktraining.com. The course is 8 hours and the fee is $150
Stay safe, train hard!

RE: Glock

Glock is pretty good IMO carried one since I have had my CHL and currently carry a Glock 23 on duty. My choice for off duty is a Springfield XD Sub-compact 40. My hand didn't really get along with the compact Glock models and fount it more comfortable with the XD. Its what you are most comfortable with though. IMO I think your agency should let you carry what you are comfortable with and not force you to use an "issued" model, but we can't always get what we want though.

RE: Glock

Guns are like boats... as I sit in my canoe and watch $60K Bass boats fly by at 70MPH (Man, they have all the bells and whistles, electonics, gadgets, cool stuff)...and then I see the same guys later at the boat dock that were not able to catch any fish because they spent all day racing around looking for them and playing with the boat. I've caught and released a couple of limits, maybe kept a few for dinner.
Moral: Find something that works well for you, BUT most importantly, be very familiar with how to operate the tool.

Don't hate on my glock.

I carry a glock 27 for my off duty weapon and I find it very comfortable and reliable. This is after tweaking somethings ofcourse. I got a pachmayer rubber grip cover and a some pierce grip extenders for my mags. The weapon is very small and easy to concele my fellow officers who know what to look for have to ask if i have my piece. I was alittle upset that I went to shoot at an indoor range over in PA with my partner who carries a sig. We signed in drew our weapons to load them and the owner says "nice sig - when I see a guy who carries a sig I know he's sophisticated and knows what a good gun is." then he looks at my Gee-Lock and says "aw glocks...everyone else uses a glock" Sigs are obviously very nice weapons but they are pricey and say what you will about glock but they are tried and true and imo easy to use. I know it all comes down to the glock fanboys vs. the opposition but why is everyone so verbal about it. I wanted to take my toys and go home :(

Glock vs Sig

Steve,

When I retired 5 years ago my agency issue was a Sig 229 in .357 Sig with no permission to carry anything other...that was due to ex-secret service types who 1) decided they knew best, and 2) they piggy backed on the secret service contract for new Sigs...prior to that time I carried an issued Sig 228 in 9mm for round-ups, and an authorized personally purchased Glock 26 in 9mm as my daily fare. I'm now working as a Federal Court Security Officer (private employer contracted by the USMS)...we are sworn as special deputies limited to "while on duty," and carry a USMS issued Glock 23 in .40 S&W. The line deputies are issued a Glock 22 in .40 S&W and can carry a second personally owned firearm which meets minimum caliber requirement as a back-up. Back in the day, USMS personnel could carry just about anything from .38/9mm on up for duty, and .380 or better for off duty. As a CSO, I have to lock up my issued weapon AND ID at days end...don't want any abuse, don't you know...so I carry my trusty Glock 26 back and forth from work in the wee hours. A former co-worker, now retired from DEA once asked a DEA firearms instructor which weapon he would prefer, a Sig or a Glock...believe this was at Camp Perry, and I'm sure there was some embellishment here, but heck, the instructor unloaded a Glock, threw it in the mud, drove over it with his field vehicle, retrieved, wiped it down, loaded and fired the Glock successfully without any malfunctions. He then replied to my pal, "I wouldn't do that with a Sig." At any rate, hope you enjoy whatever model you Chief adopts, but also hope he continues to permit you to carry your personal 1911 as well...that would be a win-win IMHO. Stay Safe, Dann T

RE: Glock

As with any Handgun use for patrol or police work the most important concideration is that for one it is simple to use under extreame stress conditions and it is easily shot by everyone in the agency. The best feature about Glock firearms is that the magizines interchange. If you carry a full size Glock 22 .40 cal as a primary firearm and a sub-compact Glock 27 .40 cal as a secondary firearm, and your primary gun for what ever the reason malfunctions. You can deploy your backup firearm and not be limited to it's amunition capacity. As with everyone else the Glocks are very durable and the cost of replaceing worn or broken parts is reasonable.