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Assisting an officer

6/16/2007 12:01 AM

Damonea

Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 13

Assisting an officer


In the state of Idaho it is legally appropriate for an individual to step in and assist another individual or an officer who is being attacked. Last month there was a shooting in Moscow. A man killed his wife, then went down to the police station and started shooting. An officer lost his life and another officer was injuried. One of the things that I am bothered with is there was a guy from a college nearby who heard the shots and ran to help. When I first heard this I thought, "Good for him, it's nice to hear people assisting officers when they do not have to." I was under the impression that he was not far from the scene. I have come to find that this individual was actually so far away that he had to hop on his bike and ride down to where the shooting was happening. Now I am all for someone assisting officers, but in my opinion this young man's actions were unnecessary and I also feel it caused more problems then needed to be. This young man did get injuried. Officers that he went to assist ended up having to put their life's in even more danger to help the injuried man. Don't get me wrong, I understand that it is part of an officer's duty to protect others and to help save lives, but I feel that these actions by this man were not appropriate for the situation that was present. I would have understood if he was nearby, like on the street as it was happening, but to be that far away, grabbing a gun, riding your bike down to situation, I just don't see the "hero" aspect and feel that it wasn't a benefit to the officers or the situation.

So now that a simple point has become long winded, I am curious as to how officers feel about citizens helping in police situations and when you feel a citizen should remain out of the way.

Have a safe and wonderful day!

Peace, Love, and God Bless

Amber D. Curtis


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6/18/2007 6:14 AM #1

Steve Rothstein

Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 275

RE: Assisting an officer


Amber,

I want to see more citizens helping with our problems. Of course, it has to be real help and not a hindrance, which is what happened here. The best way to help in many cases is to provide the support we need to do our jobs.

In case of an emergency situation like this, any citizen responding should meet up with officers well outside the actual shooting area. If he barges in with a gun, he is likely to be seen as another bad guy and shot by the police officers. This has also happened to off duty officers responding, so it is not necessarily just citizens that have this problem.

There have been several well documented cases of average citizens successfully helping officers. Consider the Univ. of Texas Tower shooting by Whitman in 1966(?). It was citizens with their hunting rifles that helped keep him pinned, and a citizen went up the tower with an officer to help stop him. There was a mroe recent case where a DPS trooper was shot and a hunter saw it and killed the bad guy. Then there were the cases such as the law school shooting in West Virginia a couple years ago where the bad guy was subdued by students.

OVerall, I am all for the citizens helping the police, if they can really help. Don't just stand by and expect the police to protect you like Superman.

6/24/2007 10:51 PM #2

wolfva

Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 114

RE: Assisting an officer


"Don't get me wrong, I understand that it is part of an officer's duty to protect others and to help save lives..."

Actualy Amber, it's not. According to the Surpreme Court of the USA, it is not the duty of the police department, federal or local, to protect the lives or property of the individual but instead to protect socieity as a whole. Not that this has much to do with the topic, just pointing it out <G>.

As far as the topic goes this young man did the right thing. Could he have gotten injured or killed? Yes, and in fact he did get injured. But instead of shrugging his shoulders and assuming someone else would take care of the problem he went forth and tried to help. I dunno, I would rather people try to help instead of sitting around on their duffs muttering about how it's not their problem.

3/7/2008 4:44 PM #3

irishone

Join Date: March 2008
Posts: 511

RE: Assisting an officer


Posse Commitatus is when a peace officer can direct a civilian to assist him whether it is directing traffic or assisting in making an arrest. I have on a couple of occasions assisted LE as a civilian. Once in helping a female deputy take a struggling transient into custody and another time was to assist police on a commercial burglary. I would prefer to help than to stand by watching stuff happen.

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