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10/5/2007 1:16 PM

CTPoliceOfc

Join Date: September 2007
Posts: 12

What about the Victims...


I cannot believe that people would criticize this "competition". As you read below, "people" were shocked over this competition. Defense Attornies and "civil" liberatarians describe arrests and police encounters as "traumatic" GIVE ME A BREAK...WHAT ABOUT THE VICTIMS!!! THE VICTIMS OF CRIME HAVE NO RIGHTS NO CONSIDERATION FROM THE CRIMINALS WHO HARM THE WEAK, COMMIT DISGUSTING HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, BUT THESE RIDICUOLUS DEFENSE ATTY AND OTHERS CONDEM THE POLICE!!! GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOS ANGELES --

The Sheriff's Department was under fire from law enforcement experts Thursday over contests to see which Lakewood station deputies could make the most arrests, impound the most vehicles and question the most gang members in a 24-hour period. Video

An e-mail written Aug. 15 and obtained by the Los Angeles Times described one recent competition -- "Operation Any Booking" -- designed to arrest as many people as possible within a specific 24-hour period, according to the newspaper.

Lakewood-based sheriff's Lt. James Tatreau, the e-mail's author, told The Times the intent was motivational and said the only prize was "bragging rights."

"No way, no how did anyone encourage officers to falsify a report or an arrest," he said.

Another competition, dubbed "Operation Vehicle Impound," aimed at seizing as many cars as possible, according to the Times. It took place July 11 and dramatically increased the number of vehicles seized.

A third competition challenged deputies to see how many gang members and other suspected criminals could be stopped and questioned, according to the Times. That produced a spike in such interviews.

Some police accountability experts, civil libertarians and defense attorneys condemned the competitions, saying they trivialized traumatic encounters such as arrests and having a car impounded, The Times reported.

"It's crazy," Jane White, the associate director of the National Center for Community Policing, told the Times. "I'm at a loss for words. I've never heard of anything like this before."

Hubert Williams, president of the Washington, D.C.-based Police Foundation, which promotes innovative policing strategies, told The Times that the competitions were "highly problematic and inappropriate."

Sheriff Lee Baca told The Times the competitions were well-meaning but ill-conceived.


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10/5/2007 5:38 PM #1

Aqua Pig

Join Date: June 2007
Posts: 39

RE: What about the Victims...


Don't see anything wrong with "bragging rights" if it motivates the troops to do work.  Crime happens everywhere. If you can make more arrests, that disrupts the bad guys and really sends the message.  This policy reminds me of the Detroit "Black Sedans" of the 70's. The crack down- zero tolerance policy of the STRESS teams (Stop the Robberies Enjoy Safe Streets) were very effective and really knocked the hell out of the violent crime stats!  The Sheriff should suck it up and use the efficacy of the idea and how it better protects the citizens that put him in office.  Sounds like a great re-election policy.

The bleeding hearts have no idea how victims feel. They cannot see beyond those Rose colored glasses.

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10/6/2007 5:06 PM #2

DeputyJ

Join Date: September 2007
Posts: 5

RE: What about the Victims...


Our profession is full of type A personalties (including myself), I believe that all motivated officers are in an unofficial competition with each other. I take great pride in consistently having more arrests than the other officers in my unit. I am proud of the fact that I am highly motivated, and very proactive. There is nothing wrong in challenging those around you to perform their duties to the best of their abilities.

Stay Safe.

10/8/2007 10:06 PM #3

wolfva

Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 96

RE: What about the Victims...


You have to remember that these civil liberty groups see Police as the enemy, not criminals. Why, criminals are just citizens after all whereas those eeeeviiiiil cops are the enforcement arm of the Dark Empire run by Chimpy BushMcHitlerPalpatine and the Sith lords Darth Rove and Jar Jar Chenney. So it's only natural for them to be offended when police officers actually arrest criminals.

10/15/2007 6:06 PM #4

oldhag

Join Date: October 2007
Posts: 57

RE: What about the Victims...


What? Of course there is something wrong with this. Now the police are supposed to compete to see how many arrests they can make---and apparently it doesn't matter if the arrests are fair or not. How do you think the average person will feel about that? The problem of course is that you cannot measure good police work with a "number," like, the number of arrests or the number of hours someone works. "Quality" should be considered more important than quantity.

Think about it...an officer will not get any recognition for helping some person who is lost in a city, or any other small gesture of kindness towards the public. Only to go around arresting people, only to punish and condemn.

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10/15/2007 10:19 PM #5

wolfva

Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 96

RE: What about the Victims...


Any officer who is in the job because he wants recognition is in the wrong job. You do what is right BECAUSE it is right, not for the laudation of your fellow man.

Only an idiot would claim cops don't think it matters if he makes a fair arrest or not. First, you NEVER want to arrest the wrong person. Besides the resulting lawsuit and the realisation that you've screwed up someone's life because of your mistake is the fact that the REAL criminal is still out there preying upon society.

Sooo, new nickname Arrested?

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